Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
Hello, welcome back to from 8bit to 4k. We're going to talk all things games.
I'm Pilipette, your host this week and with me I have two of my co hosts. We have Mike of many names.
[00:00:22] Speaker B: How's it going everybody?
[00:00:23] Speaker A: And of course we have Jack Zoman. Here he is here. We're all here, excited to talk. We got an exciting episode planned for you guys today because this is episode 20. But before I get into it, first I want to do a shout out to our Patreons at the shout out tier. Codex, Ninja, Skippy, Esquire, Labana, Uncle Chrisco and Yeet the Dab. Speaking of Patreon, you can support us at Patreon. $1 a month will just tell us that you love us.
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[00:01:08] Speaker C: And that Patreon link is patreon.com the four words podcast.
[00:01:13] Speaker A: It is also Patreon description. That's correct. Patreon.com the forwardspodcasts.com join our discord. That link is in the episode description. Come talk to us about games, tell us what you think, opinions, topics. I'd also like to say if there's anything games that you want us to see, see us play together, come let us know because we're interested in playing some games together on stream and let you guys watch because there's a bunch of good friends games out there and we'd like to start dabbling, give us some ideas. Please just pop into that discord and let us know. Type put it into, you know, general. You can ping us anything you want to do to get us our attention.
So we've got a special episode like I mentioned to you, it's episode 20 this go around.
So I came up with this idea guys, I want to do 20 question games and we're going to each guess, we're going to each hat pick two games and we're all going to try and guess and at the end of it the person who has used the least amount of questions to guess the game, we are actually going to have the winner pick a friend game that we're all going to play on stream together and we just want to make it fun. So you know, let's get right into it.
Actually while we're on the Topic of friend games and Twitch. I'm going to go ahead and do some Twitch plugs so you can find Jax at Twitch tv.
Jaxoman, Mike of many names, Twitch tv mikeofmanynames and myself, Twitch TV Pillowpet. Come, give us a follow. Let us know so you know when you're going live.
So you know when we're going live.
And hopefully you can catch us playing this next friend game like we've been playing Terraria.
So let's hop right into it.
Let's see. How do we want to figure out who starts? Should I pull up a spinning wheel?
[00:03:13] Speaker C: You're the host. You start.
[00:03:14] Speaker A: All right, so I am going to.
Let's see, which game do I want to pick today?
All right, I got my game figured out, and I'm going to have alternate questions.
Yes. And you each get 20. I got to figure out a way to keep track so I don't lose track of how many questions you've asked. So. So I'm going to open up.
[00:03:36] Speaker B: I don't think we each get 20 questions. I think it's a total of 20 for both of us, because otherwise we're doubling.
Yeah.
[00:03:43] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:03:43] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:03:44] Speaker C: All right, to be clear to the listeners, the winner is whoever's games take the most total questions to guess.
So if a game is unguessed, that's 20. If it takes less than 20 to guess, you get that many points. And whoever has the most points wins.
[00:04:00] Speaker B: I had a. I have a D20 here, so we can countdown on that. Or if you have a D20 or something like that, for questions asked.
[00:04:08] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:04:09] Speaker B: That way we've got a nice little track.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: So I'm gonna keep track on a notepad of each question asked from each person just so I can keep track of that.
All right, so I want you guys to pick a number between 1 and 10. This is how we're gonna decide who goes first, even though it doesn't matter. But I got a number picked.
[00:04:29] Speaker C: Seven.
[00:04:30] Speaker B: Four.
[00:04:30] Speaker A: Yeah, you can't even win. It was seven. It's always seven. I always pick seven.
All right, so, Jax, I'll give you freedom of choice. Do you want to go first or do you want to defer?
All right, go ahead.
[00:04:45] Speaker C: So was your game released after 2010?
[00:04:50] Speaker A: No.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: Okay, 2010 or earlier, was your game released before 2000?
[00:04:56] Speaker A: No.
[00:04:57] Speaker C: Okay, so between 2000 and 2010, guys.
[00:05:00] Speaker A: And this is awful timing. I'm gonna have to pause this for just a second. My headset decided to start dying, so give me five seconds to change it. Okay, It's Kind of important that I hear you guys.
[00:05:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:14] Speaker C: And I'm gonna wind up leaving all of that in. So, listeners, I hope you enjoyed.
[00:05:19] Speaker A: All right, I'm back. Here we go.
[00:05:21] Speaker B: Oh, that was fucking faster than I expected.
You just have a spare battery, don't you?
[00:05:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. All right, so we got one question each. It was Mike or Jack's turn. Go ahead.
[00:05:30] Speaker C: All right, so we've established a general time frame, so I'm gonna go. Is this game a console release?
[00:05:38] Speaker A: Yes. Well, do you mean, like, is it on console as well or was it exclusively console?
[00:05:45] Speaker C: I did not say exclusive.
[00:05:46] Speaker A: Okay, no. Then yes, it is a console release.
[00:05:49] Speaker B: Oh, man.
Is this game on Steam?
[00:05:54] Speaker A: Give me a second. I gotta look.
Sorry, I don't know because that's not where I've ever got it. But Steam adds games all the time that you would never expect to be on there.
We knew this was gonna happen. So you guys are getting a full.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: This means it's not likely to be a Nintendo game. Okay.
[00:06:16] Speaker A: It is not on Steam.
[00:06:18] Speaker B: It's not on Steam. Okay.
[00:06:20] Speaker C: All right, well, crap. That throws away what my next question was going to be.
Let's just go for publishers. Was this published by Nintendo?
[00:06:31] Speaker B: No. Was the primary release of this game
[00:06:34] Speaker A: for Xbox, like, originally when it came out?
[00:06:36] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:06:37] Speaker A: No.
[00:06:38] Speaker C: Is this game an rpg?
[00:06:41] Speaker A: Not. It wasn't really. It wasn't. It wasn't released as an rpg?
[00:06:45] Speaker B: No.
[00:06:46] Speaker A: The.
[00:06:46] Speaker B: That's an interesting answer.
[00:06:48] Speaker A: Okay, it's not. It's not a RPG in its like, labeling. If you were to look up RPGs. Let me. Let me make sure.
[00:06:58] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:06:59] Speaker A: No, it is not. It is not officially labeled as an rpg. Okay.
[00:07:04] Speaker B: You'll understand. This game.
No.
[00:07:09] Speaker C: No guns, kind of an rpg, but officially not.
[00:07:13] Speaker A: It was not officially released as an rpg. You'll understand when you hear the name.
[00:07:18] Speaker C: I guess if I even know what
[00:07:20] Speaker A: it is, you'll know. Everyone knows what this is. I'll give you that.
[00:07:24] Speaker C: Was this game released after 2005?
[00:07:27] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:07:28] Speaker C: Okay, so between 2005 and 2010.
[00:07:31] Speaker B: Okay,
[00:07:34] Speaker A: I'll give you guys a hint because we're at the halfway point. Just a general. It is a popular game.
[00:07:39] Speaker C: I figured when you started.
[00:07:41] Speaker A: I'm not gonna pick anything that you guys wouldn't know.
[00:07:44] Speaker C: I would have been real shocked if you picked something super niche.
[00:07:48] Speaker B: Is this a game you have talked about with us?
[00:07:52] Speaker A: It's probably been mentioned, but I can't recall if I ever just, like, talked about it.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: Okay, so it's not like a discussion game. Got it.
[00:07:59] Speaker C: Was this game Published by ea?
[00:08:02] Speaker B: No, no. Is this game an action game?
[00:08:05] Speaker A: No, not an action game.
[00:08:10] Speaker C: I guess I'm just gonna go through the other companies. Was this game published by Activision?
[00:08:14] Speaker A: No. It is not a common publisher or anything like that. It's not any of the mainstreams. I will give you that. All right, so we come through you guys to. I don't delve on the. The publishers of mainstream. I won't. That'll be. That would be way too many questions.
[00:08:32] Speaker B: Was this a fully cross platform game? As in like it released on multiple platforms at once or did it start as an exclusive?
[00:08:40] Speaker A: It started PC.
[00:08:42] Speaker B: Started PC?
Not on Steam?
[00:08:44] Speaker A: No. Yeah, I'll give you a started PC. We're at 14. I'll give you another hint after the next question. Actually, no, I'll give you another hint after Mike's next question. So Jax has a 1. Actually, I'll go ahead now.
Okay, so this game, when it first came out, was released in its own kind of browser. Like game. Like you had to go, it remembers 2009. Oh, I just gave you.
I just gave you a date. So it came out in 2009. That's what I'll tell you. Came out 2009. That's your hint.
[00:09:19] Speaker C: Oh, I think I know what the game is. Is the problem with that hint. Is it Destiny 2 or no Destiny 1?
[00:09:25] Speaker B: No, no, that's way too early for Destiny.
[00:09:28] Speaker C: Okay, well, that was my question.
[00:09:29] Speaker A: So remember, not a mainstream like publisher or developer.
[00:09:37] Speaker B: I can't ask that question because that causes a question.
Something we heard of. It's about 2009.
You don't shoot guns. That ruins what the game I was thinking of.
[00:09:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know.
[00:09:49] Speaker A: Then when we get to 18, I'll give you a dead giveaway hint.
[00:09:53] Speaker C: I'm worried that I have never heard of this game. There's a lot of red.
[00:09:58] Speaker A: You have heard of it. You have heard. You have heard this game. Everybody's heard of this game.
[00:10:03] Speaker B: Is this game Minecraft?
[00:10:05] Speaker A: Yes, it is Minecraft. Oh, all right, so we got 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
[00:10:13] Speaker B: Everyone has heard of this game and gave it a fucking away.
[00:10:16] Speaker A: Like my. My hint when you got to 18 was going to be. Huh?
[00:10:21] Speaker B: I wouldn't have gotten it from that.
[00:10:22] Speaker C: I would have.
All right, nice.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: Good job. Good job, Mike.
[00:10:27] Speaker C: Okay, I think it's Mike's turn.
[00:10:30] Speaker B: All right, I've got which came in plan. First I need to make sure I know what its actual release date is.
[00:10:35] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:10:36] Speaker C: And I think Pillow kicked this one off since I kicked off the last one.
[00:10:39] Speaker A: Are you ready?
[00:10:40] Speaker B: Oh yeah, I'm ready.
[00:10:42] Speaker A: Is this a tabletop game?
[00:10:46] Speaker B: No.
[00:10:46] Speaker C: Was this game released after 2005?
[00:10:50] Speaker B: No.
[00:10:50] Speaker A: Was it released after 99?
[00:10:53] Speaker B: No.
[00:10:55] Speaker C: The way he's saying that, I think it was released on 99.
So that's gonna be my question. Was it released in 1999?
[00:11:01] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:11:02] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:11:03] Speaker A: Is it a shooting game?
[00:11:06] Speaker B: It is not the way you phrase that. I'm going to go with two things here. It is not a first person shooter or a third person shooter and it's
[00:11:12] Speaker C: not a shoot em up then.
[00:11:13] Speaker B: So not like a shoot em up.
[00:11:14] Speaker C: It's not be a shooting game.
Trying to rack my brain of what came out in 1999. Would this be classified as a sports game?
[00:11:23] Speaker B: No.
[00:11:23] Speaker C: Of any. Of any kind? Not just like mainstream team sports.
[00:11:28] Speaker A: Is this a platformer game?
[00:11:30] Speaker B: No.
[00:11:31] Speaker C: Was this a console exclusive?
[00:11:34] Speaker B: No.
[00:11:34] Speaker A: Was it a console game?
[00:11:36] Speaker B: No.
[00:11:37] Speaker C: Is this a real time strategy game?
[00:11:40] Speaker B: No.
[00:11:41] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:11:42] Speaker A: Was it a action adventure game?
[00:11:44] Speaker B: No.
[00:11:45] Speaker C: Was it an rpg?
[00:11:46] Speaker B: No.
[00:11:47] Speaker A: Was it a puzzle game?
[00:11:48] Speaker B: No.
[00:11:49] Speaker C: The fuck? Other genres of games were released in 1999.
Like we, unless my memory is faulty, we've hit RPG, Action Adventure. I will give all kinds of shooters.
[00:12:01] Speaker B: I will give an answer to RTS and puzzle. We have mentioned this game on our. On our show before.
[00:12:09] Speaker C: I don't even know that that helps me.
I'm trying to think of what other genres it could even be. Is this a driving game of some kind?
[00:12:19] Speaker B: No.
If he doesn't get it here, I'll give you a bigger hint.
[00:12:25] Speaker A: Was it on Nintendo?
[00:12:27] Speaker B: No.
You have.
[00:12:29] Speaker C: I'm trying to.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: There are two types of this type of thing. You have said one and forgotten the other half.
[00:12:37] Speaker C: Is this a point and click adventure game?
[00:12:40] Speaker B: No.
[00:12:41] Speaker A: Was it a PlayStation game?
[00:12:43] Speaker B: I've already told you it's not on consoles.
[00:12:45] Speaker A: Oh, wait, yeah, sorry, I forgot I asked that. All right.
[00:12:50] Speaker B: I gave you Nintendo because Nintendo has Gameboy and I don't count game boys as consoles.
[00:12:56] Speaker A: Let's see.
Is it an arena style game?
[00:13:01] Speaker B: No.
[00:13:02] Speaker A: Like I'm grasping at straws here, trying to.
[00:13:05] Speaker B: I will give you the genre. It is turn based strategy.
[00:13:10] Speaker C: Turn based strategy released in 1999 that we've talked about on this podcast. Is it Heroes of Might and Magic three?
[00:13:18] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: Okay, nice.
I would have never even thought of that. Like I never even heard of that game.
[00:13:26] Speaker C: It's a really good game. Like Heroes of might and magic. 3 may be the best turn based strategy game ever made. It's certainly up there.
[00:13:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: Like this was like I'M surprised you missed this one. I was like, oh, man, you're circling it.
When you got 99 on, like, the third question, I'm like, fuck, yeah.
[00:13:49] Speaker C: The problem is my brain always thinks of Heroes 3 complete, which came out in 2000.
[00:13:54] Speaker B: That's fair.
[00:13:55] Speaker C: Like, that's the, like, watermarked date on the title screen on Heroes 3 Complete is 2000. So that's what I always think of. All right, it's my turn. I've got my game, and I am ready whenever you guys are. So Mike, start us off.
[00:14:11] Speaker B: All right. Is this a game released before 2005?
[00:14:16] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:14:17] Speaker A: Is this a game released during.
I'm sorry, let me rephrase that. Is this a game released in 99 or later?
[00:14:27] Speaker C: No.
[00:14:28] Speaker B: Is this a Super Nintendo game?
[00:14:30] Speaker C: No.
[00:14:30] Speaker A: Is this a PC only game?
[00:14:33] Speaker C: No.
[00:14:34] Speaker B: Was this game released before 95?
[00:14:37] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:14:38] Speaker A: Was this game on?
Trying to think. I can't even remember the name of the system.
I'm gonna go with another question.
Is this.
[00:14:48] Speaker C: You try to describe the system, and I can certainly tell you which one it is that you're trying to think of.
[00:14:54] Speaker A: Is this game on the Atari?
[00:14:57] Speaker C: No, it is not on any of the Atari consoles.
[00:15:00] Speaker B: I'm a throw a shot.
[00:15:01] Speaker C: I'm not going to try to narrow down.
[00:15:03] Speaker B: I'm going to straight up throw a shot in the dark. Is this Doom?
[00:15:06] Speaker C: No.
[00:15:07] Speaker B: Damn. I was hoping I'd get a nice easy one.
[00:15:09] Speaker A: Is this a rpg?
[00:15:14] Speaker C: It says role playing is one of the genres on Wikipedia.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Okay,
[00:15:20] Speaker C: I'm gonna recommend you guys try to narrow down.
[00:15:23] Speaker B: Was this game originally released for Nintendo specifically?
[00:15:27] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:15:28] Speaker B: Okay, so it was a Nintendo game specifically at the time?
[00:15:31] Speaker C: Yes. You've narrowed down. It is. What was it? 95. 95 or earlier.
[00:15:36] Speaker B: And it's not Super Nintendo.
[00:15:38] Speaker C: Super Nintendo.
[00:15:38] Speaker B: So it's an NES game or Game Boy.
[00:15:41] Speaker C: Game Boy existed at that point in time. Technically, if it's 95 or earlier, that could also include the Virtual Boy, but, you know, I didn't pick one of those.
[00:15:48] Speaker A: Okay, I'll. Is this a handheld game? No.
[00:15:53] Speaker B: Did this game become cross platform?
[00:15:57] Speaker C: No.
[00:15:58] Speaker A: Did I already ask if this. Okay, no, I'm sorry, go ahead.
[00:16:00] Speaker C: I'm going to pause that. It has been included in cross platform collections in recent years during its relevance. It was not cross platform.
[00:16:10] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:16:11] Speaker A: Would this.
[00:16:11] Speaker C: I'm give you. That's a hint.
[00:16:13] Speaker A: Would this be.
Would you find this in the arcade?
[00:16:17] Speaker C: No.
[00:16:18] Speaker B: Is the main character one of Nintendo's, like, flagship characters? Your links, your Mario's, your Kirbys?
[00:16:26] Speaker C: No.
[00:16:27] Speaker A: Does this game require Shooting.
[00:16:29] Speaker C: No.
[00:16:30] Speaker B: Oh God. These are old ones.
[00:16:32] Speaker A: How many questions are we at the court?
[00:16:34] Speaker B: 14. 14.
Oh man, this is. This is getting rough. It's a Nintendo game. It's an NES game. It's not one of their flagship characters but has since been released for multi platform stuff.
[00:16:50] Speaker C: Yeah, that should have been your giveaway. That wasn't a flagship Nintendo character because they don't release their shit multi platform later.
[00:16:56] Speaker B: I.
What do we have? What do we have?
[00:17:03] Speaker C: You have definitely heard of this game. This is not an obscure NES game.
[00:17:06] Speaker B: My first thought, when it's labeled as a role playing game, this is gonna be a weird question now. Does beating this game require you to play for more than like 15 hours?
What is this a long game?
[00:17:22] Speaker C: I mean, it's long by NES standards.
It's definitely not a 15 plus hour game unless you're really bad.
[00:17:28] Speaker A: So we said it was pre.95 is
[00:17:32] Speaker C: you've narrowed it down to NES.
[00:17:33] Speaker B: We know it's an NES game.
[00:17:34] Speaker A: Okay. Okay.
[00:17:36] Speaker C: I think the last NES games were released in 93.
[00:17:41] Speaker A: I wonder, is it like a.
A side scrolling kind of movement based scene selection game?
[00:17:51] Speaker C: I'm not sure what scene selection means. It is definitely a side scroller.
[00:17:54] Speaker A: I was gonna say. So I'm thinking like initially I'm thinking like Old Street Fighters where you start in a scene and then move to the next one and it like rotates over. Okay.
[00:18:04] Speaker C: Here. Since you have already eliminated Nintendo franchises like Zelda and Mario, it controls kind of like Zelda 2 or a Mario game in terms of how it is a side scroller.
[00:18:17] Speaker A: Gotcha. Okay.
[00:18:19] Speaker B: Is this Dragon Quest?
[00:18:20] Speaker C: No, Dragon Quest is not a side scroller.
[00:18:24] Speaker B: Well, thinking about movement like Zelda made me think of Dragon Quest's movement.
[00:18:29] Speaker C: I said Zelda 2 or Mario games to be the examples.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:34] Speaker A: Okay, so is this a game that would now be like dominantly on Sony or PlayStation like they make the games now?
[00:18:44] Speaker C: No.
[00:18:44] Speaker A: And it's not like on Nintendo. Okay.
[00:18:51] Speaker B: Side scroller.
[00:18:52] Speaker C: I know you have definitely heard of this game. I do not know if you would have played it.
[00:18:58] Speaker B: And it's not an arcade game either. So we know it didn't go out and become an arcade afterwards.
[00:19:02] Speaker C: It is not an arcade game.
[00:19:05] Speaker B: Can't be it.
I. I'm not super familiar with a bunch of side scrollers. It's not shooting. So it's not something like contrast. That's also.
[00:19:14] Speaker C: It is a side scrolling platformer of some kind. Contra was on nes.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:19:20] Speaker C: There's two Contra games on nes. Contra and Super C are both NES games and they are superior to their arcade counterparts.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: God.
I'm going to use this to try and help you. Pillow. Is this like a.
I will use Disney as an example. Like a Disney style franchise game that is a NES game. Something like the Lion King or DuckTales.
[00:19:45] Speaker C: No, it is not any licensed property.
[00:19:48] Speaker B: Which is property. That's what I'm looking for.
[00:19:51] Speaker A: This. I have a game in my head, but I want to clarify. Is this a.
A magic spells game with like armor and all sorts of things like that? Like, is it that kind of role playing where there's like magic spells and there's like armor and towns that you visit?
[00:20:09] Speaker C: Very loosely, yes, but very loosely. Okay, so that is 20 questions. Do you guys have a guess?
[00:20:17] Speaker A: I was.
Is it Castlevania?
[00:20:20] Speaker C: It's one of them.
[00:20:22] Speaker A: See, I was thinking like, no way it's Castlevania. Is it Castlevania 2? Simeon's quest?
[00:20:27] Speaker C: It is Castlevania 2.
[00:20:29] Speaker A: Okay.
I was thinking that like three, three ago. And I was like, no, I don't think so. Because for some reason in my head I was thinking at 20, there's no way like they consider that a role playing game. But I guess it could be.
[00:20:42] Speaker C: It's listed as role playing on. On Wikipedia of. Of the. Like Castlevania's before Symphony of the Night. It is the one that I think does actually deserve role playing as one of its categories.
[00:20:56] Speaker A: So the role playing drifted me into like games like similar to Zelda too.
[00:21:02] Speaker C: Let's be real.
[00:21:03] Speaker A: I was gonna say, like, it got like fox on do Foxana do. Like I was.
[00:21:08] Speaker C: That's where my sex Anadu is too obscure though I wouldn't have picked it. Castlevania 2 is extremely well known.
[00:21:15] Speaker A: Then when you said it was like Zelda 2, I was thinking Battle of
[00:21:18] Speaker C: the Olympus, which I don't even know what that is.
[00:21:21] Speaker A: It's just a Greek mythology kind of like side.
[00:21:24] Speaker B: Right.
[00:21:24] Speaker C: I figured that from the name. I just am not familiar with the game. I. I deliberately picked one of the most famous any franchises that was I.
[00:21:34] Speaker B: That actually may have me up because I'm thinking like, okay, so it's not one of the big names.
[00:21:42] Speaker A: Earlier when I thought it. That was good.
[00:21:43] Speaker C: All right, so I won the first round, but we have a whole second round. Maybe you guys will get my other one quickly.
[00:21:49] Speaker B: That's possible.
[00:21:49] Speaker A: Well, so yeah, I am up to the next one. And now I'm. I'm locked in on this game. I was thinking of changing because I think it's going to be too Easy. So that being said, I am going to be very lax on the hints here. I will give a lax again or a hint again at 10 questions and then at 18 if we get to that point. So, Jax, start us off.
[00:22:13] Speaker C: All right. Was your game released after 2010?
[00:22:17] Speaker B: No. Was your game released before 2000?
[00:22:20] Speaker A: Yes. Okay.
[00:22:22] Speaker C: Was your game released before 1993?
[00:22:25] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:22:26] Speaker C: Okay, so pre doom.
[00:22:29] Speaker B: Is this a console exclusive?
[00:22:31] Speaker A: Uh, yeah. Okay.
[00:22:33] Speaker C: Is a console exclusive? Was this a Sega game, like Sega Genesis game?
[00:22:39] Speaker A: No.
[00:22:40] Speaker B: Is this a Nintendo game?
[00:22:41] Speaker A: No.
[00:22:43] Speaker C: Okay, let's clarify that. No. Mike, are you asking was this a Nintendo published game or was this a game on a Nintendo platform?
I think you're trying to ask the second one.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: He's specifically saying that it's an.
It's a console exclusive and it's not a Nintendo game. So it's not something that Nintendo has because every Nintendo game is on there.
[00:23:06] Speaker C: So you're asking, was it. Was it a Nintendo owned property?
[00:23:09] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:23:09] Speaker C: Which I'm just clarifying because let me.
Tendo game. But it's not Nintendo.
[00:23:15] Speaker A: Let me make sure.
Because Nintendo probably had their hands in a lot of things. Let me just make sure. Okay.
[00:23:23] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:23:24] Speaker A: No, it's not Nintendo owned.
[00:23:27] Speaker C: Okay. Was it on the nes?
[00:23:30] Speaker A: No. Okay, well, let me make sure. Let me make sure, because I don't think it was the version. I'm not talking anymore.
[00:23:37] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:23:38] Speaker A: Because I'll give it away.
[00:23:39] Speaker C: So we've narrowed.
[00:23:40] Speaker A: It's. It was. It was released on the nes.
[00:23:45] Speaker C: Okay. Apparently not exclusively on the nes, so
[00:23:47] Speaker B: eventually released on nes. Was this originally an Atari game?
[00:23:51] Speaker A: Let me make sure, because my. The Wikipedia is not giving me a whole lot.
No, it was not.
[00:23:58] Speaker C: Okay, so it was eventually an NES game.
Since you were unsure about Atari, let's go with was this originally an arcade game?
[00:24:09] Speaker A: You mean like you would find in just like in the old arcades?
[00:24:13] Speaker C: Yeah, like, did it. Was it originally an arcade release before the home release?
[00:24:19] Speaker A: I don't believe so. I don't believe so. I will. I will make sure, though, because this is.
I don't want to make sure. I'm telling you guys wrong. No, it was not originally an arcade game.
[00:24:31] Speaker B: Mike, do you want to throw out your hand now or. No, we're at the 10.
[00:24:34] Speaker A: Am I at 10?
[00:24:35] Speaker B: That.
[00:24:35] Speaker C: That was nine. So Mike's question would be 10.
[00:24:38] Speaker B: Okay. Minus 10.
[00:24:40] Speaker C: I think I know what it is, though.
[00:24:42] Speaker B: Are you thinking Tetris? Because is this game Tetris?
[00:24:46] Speaker A: Is that your question? Yes, it is Tetris.
[00:24:49] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:24:50] Speaker A: I knew it was going to Be too easy from the way we were guessing all the earliers, but I'd already
[00:24:54] Speaker B: locked in on it. Once we started going early, I'm like, ooh, we're going either I had to
[00:24:59] Speaker A: make sure, like, no. It was originally released on the Electronica 60 computer.
[00:25:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a.
[00:25:06] Speaker A: It was a reported to the IBM PC in 1985, which allowed the game to quickly spread throughout the Soviet Union and eventually make its way to the west.
[00:25:14] Speaker B: Arcade rights were like a massive problem for this game.
[00:25:18] Speaker C: Yep. There is an arcade version of Tetris. I've played it, but it came well after the Game Boy version and NES versions.
The fact that Game Boy being the most famous home console version.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: Uh huh. Okay.
[00:25:30] Speaker C: I think there was in fact a Genesis version at one point, but we're
[00:25:35] Speaker B: not going to count. Yeah, it's Tetris. It's on a bunch of things.
[00:25:39] Speaker C: All right, Mike, your second game.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: My second game is ready. Who's starting us off?
[00:25:44] Speaker A: Was this game after 2000?
[00:25:48] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:25:49] Speaker C: Was this game after 2010?
[00:25:51] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:25:52] Speaker A: Is this game after 2015?
[00:25:54] Speaker B: No.
[00:25:55] Speaker C: Okay, so between 2011 through 2015, was this game a PC first release?
[00:26:03] Speaker B: No.
[00:26:04] Speaker C: Okay, I phrased my question that way because by the time we're into the 2010s and onwards, most games were console and PC or they were exclusively console. So that would narrow down like console first releases, but also has a PC version.
[00:26:19] Speaker A: Was this an Xbox game?
[00:26:22] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:26:23] Speaker C: Is this a shooting game?
[00:26:26] Speaker B: No.
[00:26:26] Speaker A: Okay. Was this a role playing game?
[00:26:29] Speaker B: Not in the way you're thinking. It has role playing listed as one of its characteristics.
[00:26:36] Speaker C: Okay. 2010, 2011 to 2015 was not PC primary originally.
I guess. Let's just narrow it down. Was this a PlayStation? No. You narrowed it down. It was an Xbox game.
Does this game involve driving?
[00:26:52] Speaker B: No.
[00:26:52] Speaker A: Okay, now Mike, just to clarify, when I said Xbox, I was thinking original Xbox. Just so we were.
[00:26:59] Speaker C: Why would you be thinking that? That time frame doesn't make sense. When 2015, it would be either Xbox360 or Xbox One, depending on where in that time frame we're talking about.
[00:27:09] Speaker A: Am I all messed up in my
[00:27:11] Speaker C: Original Xbox was 200110 years.
[00:27:14] Speaker A: Oh my.
[00:27:15] Speaker B: The. The 360 was out and released in like.
[00:27:19] Speaker A: It goes so quick. It goes so quick.
[00:27:21] Speaker C: No, the 360 came out in 2005.
[00:27:25] Speaker B: Was it five?
I remember having one throughout my entire high school career.
[00:27:29] Speaker C: Essentially PS3.
[00:27:30] Speaker A: Like in my head, in my head, like I'm thinking, oh, this is so long ago. Like this is gotta be Xbox 2011
[00:27:36] Speaker C: through 2015 means it's either 360 or Xbox One.
[00:27:40] Speaker A: Okay, let me narrow it down just a little bit more. Was this 360?
[00:27:46] Speaker B: Yes, it was on the 360.
[00:27:48] Speaker C: Okay. On the 360. 2011 through 2015.
Not a driving game, not a shooting game, and not an rpg, but kind of. Yes.
[00:28:01] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:28:05] Speaker C: Was this game multiplatform?
[00:28:07] Speaker B: Yes, but not on release. And that is your hint?
[00:28:11] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:28:12] Speaker C: Xbox game that eventually went multiplatform.
[00:28:15] Speaker B: I'll give you my. My hint will be much quicker than that. The multi platform was very quick.
[00:28:21] Speaker A: It was very one. I'm sorry.
[00:28:22] Speaker B: It was exclusive for a very short time.
[00:28:25] Speaker A: Is this game a. You said it had role playing listed, but is it also like a.
Like a platformer?
[00:28:36] Speaker C: No, I'm just trying to think like what would have been an Xbox 360 exclusive for at least a little bit that wasn't a traditional RPG, a shooter, a driving game of any kind in 2011 through 2015.
[00:28:54] Speaker B: At 18, I'll give you another hint.
[00:28:58] Speaker C: Was this a sports game of any kind?
[00:29:00] Speaker B: No.
[00:29:01] Speaker A: Was this based on the restrictions of what the hardware's had then? Was this. Would this be considered open world?
[00:29:09] Speaker B: No.
[00:29:10] Speaker C: That's what I was trying to go with with my question about driving. Because that would narrow down all the open world games of that era, I guess. Except the original Red Dead Redemption is the only one I can think of that didn't involve driving.
I have no fucking clue what to even ask. I guess I'll try to narrow it down more by year. Was it released in 2011 or 2012?
[00:29:31] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:29:32] Speaker C: Okay, so 2011 or 2012, that's our range now.
[00:29:38] Speaker A: Is it a fable game?
[00:29:39] Speaker B: No.
[00:29:40] Speaker A: Okay. That's the only ones I've been thinking of because they went to PC pretty quick.
[00:29:44] Speaker C: I think he would have answered more straightforwardly.
[00:29:46] Speaker B: I will give you a nice easy, easy hint here. This is a popular indie game.
[00:29:53] Speaker C: The only one I can think of that would fit the Xbox360 part is a platformer though, because that's braided. What the fuck?
Was this game published by the Behemoth?
[00:30:06] Speaker B: No.
[00:30:06] Speaker C: Okay. Not what I was thinking of then
[00:30:10] Speaker A: was this game avatar.
[00:30:14] Speaker B: No.
[00:30:14] Speaker C: I have no fucking clue.
Especially the like briefly multi. Like briefly exclusive. Then multi platform like that should narrow it down. But I'm not.
[00:30:25] Speaker B: I' narrow it down further now because you're at 18.
It was exclusive for one month.
[00:30:31] Speaker C: That doesn't help.
[00:30:33] Speaker B: It wasn't an Xbox arcade game that was then released.
[00:30:36] Speaker C: I think it's Xbox Live Arcade
[00:30:40] Speaker B: Pillow.
[00:30:40] Speaker C: If you Got questions. Go ahead. I don't even know what the fuck to ask.
[00:30:43] Speaker B: I.
[00:30:44] Speaker A: There's only a couple that I.
18.
And you said it was between 2011 and 2012.
I want to. I'm going to label it. I'm on it. Is it 2011?
[00:30:56] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:30:57] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: Now I will give you the. The last hint you're going to get from me. I have talked about this game.
I have talked about this game.
[00:31:07] Speaker C: I just. I have no fucking clue. Like, I'm stumped. I give up.
[00:31:11] Speaker A: Is it Limbo?
[00:31:12] Speaker B: No. And Jax, you're ending there.
[00:31:15] Speaker C: I. I give up. I have no fucking clue.
[00:31:17] Speaker B: Bastion.
[00:31:18] Speaker A: Oh, my God.
[00:31:20] Speaker C: Oh.
[00:31:21] Speaker A: All right.
[00:31:21] Speaker B: Well, it was released in July on Xbox Arcade and in August it was already on Steam.
[00:31:28] Speaker C: I had no idea it was a console specific release ever.
[00:31:32] Speaker B: Oh, that one. I knew.
[00:31:33] Speaker A: Yeah. I was thinking Limbo because it was released and it is.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: It is officially an arpg.
[00:31:39] Speaker C: Yeah. I would have just said yes to rpg, but regardless, I was stumped because I didn't know it was a console release.
[00:31:47] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:31:48] Speaker C: I only knew Bastion as the PC release.
[00:31:50] Speaker B: Yeah, Bastard. Bastion was super giant. I was expecting you to like when I said it was an indie company, someone to ask more about, like, so.
But that's fair. We're. We're gonna see if. If we could do anything more with Jax's.
[00:32:05] Speaker A: All right.
[00:32:06] Speaker C: Yeah. Basically, now it's between you and me. If you guys can get this in 18 questions, less than 18 questions, then Mike wins. 18 questions. Exactly. Mike and I tie in more than 18, I win.
So whenever you're ready, Mike. First question.
[00:32:20] Speaker B: All right, my first question. We're gonna keep the train running. Was this game released after 2005?
[00:32:26] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:32:27] Speaker A: Was it a console exclusive?
[00:32:29] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:32:30] Speaker B: Was this game released before 2010?
[00:32:33] Speaker C: No.
Yeah. No is the correct answer.
[00:32:37] Speaker A: Was it released on or before 2015?
[00:32:41] Speaker C: On or before what?
[00:32:42] Speaker A: 2015.
[00:32:43] Speaker B: No. So post 2015. Okay.
[00:32:46] Speaker C: At this point, I think I have the newest game out of everyone.
[00:32:49] Speaker A: I'd say so.
[00:32:50] Speaker B: And it's a console exclusive.
Is this a PlayStation exclusive?
[00:32:55] Speaker C: No.
[00:32:56] Speaker A: PC exclusive?
[00:32:58] Speaker C: No.
[00:32:59] Speaker A: Wait, we already said PCs are not consoles.
I count it as a console. It's a specific console.
[00:33:05] Speaker C: It's a platform. It's not a console. Either way. No, it is not on PC.
[00:33:09] Speaker A: All right, so that.
[00:33:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:11] Speaker C: So that's what I will turn your question into. Is, Is it on PC? No.
[00:33:16] Speaker B: Is this game a Nintendo exclusive?
[00:33:19] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:33:20] Speaker B: Post 2015 Nintendo exclusive.
[00:33:22] Speaker A: Was this game released between 2018 and 2022?
No.
[00:33:28] Speaker B: Does this contain one of their flagship characters?
[00:33:31] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:33:32] Speaker A: All right. Just to close off the timeline here, between 2022 and 2026.
[00:33:38] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:33:39] Speaker A: All right. So after. So it's very recent, very new. Very.
[00:33:42] Speaker B: Is this a Metroid franchise?
[00:33:44] Speaker C: No.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: Is this a Zelda franchise?
[00:33:49] Speaker C: No.
[00:33:50] Speaker B: Two big ones. So the last huge one will be. Is this a Mario game? Yes, Mario post 2022.
[00:34:00] Speaker A: Okay, Mario.
[00:34:01] Speaker C: This should be clear.
[00:34:02] Speaker A: This should. This should narrow it down a little bit then. Is it. Would it. Is it 3D Mario?
[00:34:09] Speaker C: No.
[00:34:10] Speaker B: 2D Mario post 2022.
I do not know the name of that goddamn game.
[00:34:16] Speaker C: Well, I mean, you can try to narrow it down more. You have four questions before we would tie. I'm also going to point out there have been several Mario games released in that time frame.
[00:34:25] Speaker B: Is this a Switch exclusive?
[00:34:29] Speaker C: I mean, given the time frame, it has to be.
[00:34:32] Speaker B: They have done a couple of Game Boy games.
[00:34:34] Speaker A: What? No.
[00:34:35] Speaker B: Oh, my. Thinking 3Ds things. No, my time frame is off too.
[00:34:38] Speaker C: 3Ds was dead before 2023.
[00:34:41] Speaker B: Yeah. My time frame is completely fucked up. That's a wasted question. Okay.
[00:34:44] Speaker C: Hello.
[00:34:45] Speaker A: Is this a. Is this Super Mario Bros. Wonder?
[00:34:48] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:34:49] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:34:50] Speaker B: Okay. I would not have.
[00:34:52] Speaker A: It was either gonna be that or it was gonna be Mario and Luigi.
[00:34:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, there were other games in that time frame, but Mario Wonder is the 2D platformer Mario. That was.
[00:35:05] Speaker A: That labeled it down for me when I said, is it 3D? Because all Mario games now are like 3D except for like the few niche ones.
[00:35:12] Speaker C: But here's the fun part. Mario Odyssey was in 2017, the original one. Mario Odyssey, the Switch Mario game.
[00:35:20] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a release game. Yeah, the switch was a 2017 release.
[00:35:25] Speaker C: The only mainline Mario game since then is Odyssey and then Wonder. That's it. There hasn't been anything in between. They released Mario Maker 2. Mario Maker 2 was multiplayer.
[00:35:40] Speaker B: Mario and Luigi, sorta. They've gone back to more like Mario Brothers style games as opposed to the more 3D Odyssey 64 style games.
[00:35:50] Speaker C: So if you're thinking of new Super Mario Brothers, those were Wii U games. Was the most recent one. And then it was ported to the Switch.
[00:35:58] Speaker B: Oh, that was a port.
[00:35:59] Speaker C: If you mean Mario 3D world, that was also a Wii U game that was then ported to the Switch.
[00:36:05] Speaker B: Jesus Christ.
[00:36:07] Speaker A: With updates.
[00:36:09] Speaker C: Literally just 2D Mario on Switch, it can only be Mario Maker 2 or Mario Wonder.
[00:36:15] Speaker A: I think what really like started killing me on this is like I started like showing my age. Really like, oh, this was just released a few years ago.
[00:36:24] Speaker B: Yeah, you and I had that Same problem you were that. Oh, no, that's not 3D.
[00:36:29] Speaker C: I honestly thought that one would take leave guys less than 16 questions to get.
[00:36:34] Speaker B: I thought you and you guys are.
[00:36:35] Speaker A: So we need to have a tiebreaker.
[00:36:37] Speaker C: No, Mike wins.
[00:36:38] Speaker A: You both had. Oh, wait. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Right.
[00:36:41] Speaker C: We both had one that stumped 20 questions and then obviously you guys got tested.
[00:36:46] Speaker A: I was looking at the wrong lines. All right, Mike it is. You're the winner. So you get to pick a friend.
[00:36:51] Speaker B: I know what friend slop game I want us to play.
[00:36:53] Speaker A: What is it? Do you want to go ahead and announce it now or do we want to wait it?
[00:36:56] Speaker B: I'm going to announce it now because I briefly mentioned something and I hope you grabbed it and you can still grab it for a little bit. I want us to play Vermintide too.
[00:37:07] Speaker A: I think wasn't.
[00:37:09] Speaker C: As we're recording. It's still $1.49.
[00:37:12] Speaker A: All right, let me get it real quick.
[00:37:14] Speaker C: Yeah. Because this.
The promotion ends. It now Sundays offer ends June 4th. So listeners might have some time to pick up Vermintide too.
[00:37:22] Speaker B: Okay. If that's a. If that's a thing. Warhammer Skulls was an event that was going on.
[00:37:26] Speaker A: Warhammer 3 is no longer on sale.
[00:37:28] Speaker B: Yeah, three over. So I guess this specifically is on a big continuous sale. A lot of Warhammer franchise things were on like a massive sale. But that ended earlier today.
[00:37:41] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, I got it.
[00:37:42] Speaker C: Vermintide 2 says it's on sale until June 4th. It is currently a dollar 49. It is a fantastic game. This is a left the best left four dead two. Like that is not left for dead two.
[00:37:54] Speaker B: Yeah, it. And it's sort of successor in the 40k world of dark Tide. Dark Tide are phenomenal games. But I know Jack already has Vermintide and I know Vermintide was insanely cheap and is usually on a bigger sales than Darktide. So I'd much rather not have Pillow spend a bunch of money to get something when we can do it for a buck.
[00:38:15] Speaker C: I'm. Go ahead. I'm going to go ahead and buy the careers bundle because I don't have the other classes.
[00:38:20] Speaker B: I'm fairly.
[00:38:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't.
[00:38:22] Speaker B: But let me check.
[00:38:25] Speaker A: Which one's the career bundle.
Which one's that?
[00:38:29] Speaker C: It's all of the other classes that don't come with the base game. You do not need that for a first playthrough.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: Okay. Well, I mean if it's on sale, I might as well get it.
[00:38:39] Speaker C: But if it's not, then yeah, it's just.
[00:38:41] Speaker B: It is on sales.
[00:38:42] Speaker A: Guessing it's probably just in their DLCs.
[00:38:45] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:38:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's the first thing below the Legacy Edition version.
[00:38:49] Speaker A: Okay. Well, that being said, that was our fun game night kind of on episode 20 was 20 questions. I think this is definitely something that we should continue is come up with little games.
[00:39:02] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:39:03] Speaker A: Pretty fun. I really enjoyed that.
So now we're gonna move into what we've been playing.
And Mike, you won, so you go ahead and lead us off. Tell us about what you got going on.
[00:39:17] Speaker B: All right. Well, since I mentioned Warhammer, I may as well continue going.
When I talked about Warhammer skulls, they, they Shadow dropped a game on me. I have been looking forward to Mechanicus 2 for quite a long time and it released a week ago and it's fun. As if you're a fan of an XCOM style game. It is not like XCOM in that it doesn't have the percentages to hit. It's much.
It's a weird mix of like xcom, a little bit of oh, Fire Emblem style. It's. It's a great game. It's a great game and mostly hero. But there are more than just heroes. You have class bases. There's a secondary race. Now before, in the first Mechanicus game, you could only play as the Mechanicus. Now you have the other half of that, which is the Necrons, which are my favorite faction.
I.
I fucking love this game.
Does such a good job of being an introduction into the faction for Warhammer. You get a real understanding. If you were at all interested in what's going on with this in this part of the Grimdark world, there's no hope. Your. Your first things, you. You see, you're looking for technology and you have this thing called a servitor with you, which are lobotomized people that are essentially now robots for you to just throw away at your whim because human life means that little. And you just keep getting more because the servitors don't matter. And it really hammers home down some of those sort of facts. And then you get into the. The theology of Mechanicus is very interesting. I. I'm not going to go into a huge Warhammer spiel on this, which I really want to, but the gameplay is real fun.
It's noticeably different playing the Necrons versus Mechanicus. So there's an actual distinct feeling between the two and I'm having a great time playing it.
[00:41:25] Speaker A: I'M excited. So you said to step in looking at Vermintide 2, because again, I'm being introduced to this. This is like, you said it was like Left 4 Dead. Right?
[00:41:35] Speaker C: Like, you're very, very left for dead.
[00:41:37] Speaker A: So you're just surviving waves of constant.
[00:41:40] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. It's co op. You. You are trying to fight waves of. In this case, they're like the. The rat race.
[00:41:47] Speaker B: They're giant rat people.
[00:41:48] Speaker C: I can't remember what it's called.
Yes, there's special Skaven types that are the equivalent of special infected and Left four Dead. Each player class has specific different abilities. Like, it is very Left four Dead. They have everything you can think of that, like, defines Left four Dead to you. Vermintide hits those elements and it's.
[00:42:14] Speaker B: It's very like they're still adding new content, which is weird because this game released in 2018.
[00:42:23] Speaker A: Let me ask you, which one of these Total wars or Warhammer games are like Tabletop that, like, we could all play together?
[00:42:30] Speaker B: So what do you mean by Tabletop?
[00:42:32] Speaker A: Are there any that, like, I'm thinking, like, if we were to, you know, I know there's a total war Warhammer, like, Tabletop game that you can play. Got the figurines and people paint them and do all that.
[00:42:42] Speaker B: That is a war game. It's not like an rpg.
That is a different thing. And I do not want you to invest several thousand dollars.
No.
[00:42:51] Speaker A: Okay, then I will be out on that.
Jax, what you got going on? You got good things listed.
[00:42:58] Speaker C: I'm gonna talk about a couple of the things that I've been playing that are just solo. Cause then I'll come back to the ones I've been playing that are multiplayer.
So y' all know I love Super Metroid. I played a ROM hack of Super Metroid today. Literally, today as we're recording this, that is a total conversion ROM hack. So for those who are not old heads like me and aren't familiar with that term, back in the day, total conversions used to be a whole thing. Basically, some modders would take an existing game and just make their own freaking game using this other game base basically as a game engine, plus some assets.
Half Life is a total conversion of, I think, Quake 2 with a lot of heavy modding.
Like, that's how far back, like, total conversions are a whole thing. So I played a ROM hack as that's a total conversion of Super Metroid called Super Junkoid dx.
And basically this takes the Super Metroid game mechanics and formula and tells Its own story about a little girl who rescued a snake who was dying.
And this snake starts worshiping her as if she's a God and traps her in her dream so she can't escape because the snake is keeping her trapped in her dream.
So then she has to explore her dream and find and defeat the snake so she can escape her dream and wake up. It's well done. It has tons of original sprite work that the author of this ROM hack made for this thing. It definitely has some parts that are, oh, this is like this. Because this is a Super Metroid ROM hack. But it's creepy. Like very creepy. There's like clear attempts throughout this world of the snake trying to create clones of her and creating like a church worshiping her. And like, it's deeply unsettling. It was a lot of fun. It took me like four hours. But I'm a pretty experienced Super Metroid player.
I had a blast. I highly recommend there are a lot of good ROM hacks out there. That's the reason I wanted to mention that I played this one. There's tons of great Mario ROM hacks, Metroid ROM hacks.
There are tons of fan games out there using other games as a basis to do their own thing. Highly recommend checking out the ROM hacking scene in general if you like retro games.
The other thing I've been playing solo and I am not done with it yet, but I have been playing more Persona 3. I am very close to the end.
I am in January, which If you know Persona 3, that will tell you about how far I am without actually spoiling anything. For anyone who doesn't know Persona 3 3, currently I have defeated the Reaper and I'm in the bonus dungeon that I don't know if the bonus dungeon is in all versions of it. I know it is in Persona 3 Portable, which is the version I'm playing, I have started working on AIGI's social link. I haven't finished it yet. I've made it to the top of Tartarus and I'm waiting for the the time to fight the final boss.
[00:46:05] Speaker B: Basically, you're closing in. You're pretty close.
[00:46:08] Speaker C: Very close to the end.
I mean, Persona 3 is good. Like I haven't played four or five yet. I imagine I'll have a blast when I play them too. I started with Persona 3 because it's the oldest and I knew it would be the one that would be the least enjoyable if I played it last because I would be spoiled by all of the mechanical improvements in 4 and 5. That's fair, but I'm having fun with it.
[00:46:30] Speaker A: It's basically how it always goes. Skip the modern if you want to replay because then you just get spoiled and you're like, oh, what a drag. So I get that.
[00:46:39] Speaker C: It definitely has some elements that still make me feel that. Like, I hate that if your protagonist dies, but the rest of your party is fine. It's still an instant game over. Even though if anyone else dies, you can just revive them.
[00:46:51] Speaker A: Oh, that stuff drives me nuts in all those games.
[00:46:55] Speaker C: I don't know if that's the case in Persona 4 or 5, but it is in 3 and it sucks.
[00:46:59] Speaker A: Well, I.
Have you guys ever heard of Subnautica?
[00:47:03] Speaker C: Oh yeah, I've heard of it. I don't know anything about it.
[00:47:06] Speaker A: Mike, did you ever play it?
[00:47:08] Speaker B: I watched a playthrough of the original. I played a bunch of Below Zero.
[00:47:12] Speaker A: Okay, so Subnautica 2 just released on early access.
[00:47:18] Speaker B: Yeah, like two weeks ago.
[00:47:20] Speaker A: Yes, I got it. I'm a day one Subnautica player. I love Subnautica. It was where I've talked about it. I've started. That's where I started my roots of streaming, honestly was with Subnautica because I just turned on a stream and forgot that I was streaming. I was playing Subnautica and got scared. I don't have. What is it? Thassophobia or whatever it is. Fear of the thing like that. Yes, I don't have that. But it is an eerie game. And I've talked about Subnautica before. And they were the Leviathans and meeting my reaper Leviathan and the sounds.
Subnautica 2 is all of that and with more scariness.
So Subnautica 2, I don't want to spoil it for anybody that's going to get dumps you in a scary place. You're scared and you're dying and you need to not die. And then it dumps you in like the normal game or in the first game into the quote unquote safe shallows.
And you go around and collect resources, build stuff and just survive and learn. There is so much story to this game. They released pre Release.
This is 12 to 15 hours worth of story in this first Release of Subnautica 2.
It is terrifying.
I don't know if you've seen clips of this game at all, but there are.
Like what Subnautica did in pre release is they put up borders like barriers, like, hey, this is where. This is the area that we've developed. Anything outside of that is not developed. And then they put a Leviathans to guard that border. So you don't explore too far into it without like they'll kill you. They've done that here. I, I didn't know. I didn't know that this was what was going to happen so quickly. I saw some resources in the boundary, outside of the boundary and I was like, I'm gonna go get that real quick.
No, don't do that. Don't do that. There is several new Leviathan class species.
[00:49:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:33] Speaker A: There's very. There's the shiver, which I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna spoil anything for anybody like as far as what they look like or where they spawn or anything like that.
Um, but if you don't want to hear anything at all, skip forward till I'm done talking about this game.
They're the collector. Leviathan is which. The one is the one that you're going to meet during this game.
It's a Cthulhu like Leviathan. It's very, very scary. Very terrifying.
They do such a good job of just like making you feel alone in this game and be absolutely terrified. I am in love with this new planet that they've created. So I've been playing that and it's going to be a long road because I know I got it day one pre release and there's so much more that I want to do to it, but there's so much they haven't released yet.
[00:50:31] Speaker B: Yeah. That's like a two year process for them after their first release.
[00:50:34] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Which I'm fine. Take your time. Get the game done right. You know, just.
It's just so good.
I'm really thrilled to hear that the, the developers for the game, there was some issues with.
[00:50:50] Speaker B: They had Below Zero. Yeah. They had a major problem with them, like to the point where they had them rewrite the story like three times. They had to release off schedule. There was a huge issue with that producer fucking with the developers and trying to deny them payment things.
[00:51:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Because so they've been going through like some legal battles with that game.
So Subnautica 2 sold so much, so many copies that they actually gave a $250 million bonus to the developers on the game as like a reward for the game.
So it's been really good. If you liked Subnautica 1 and didn't like the. What was it? Below Zero.
If you didn't like that, which I like that one too. But if you didn't enjoy that one because it is a different game, it feels different.
Try Subnautica 2. It goes back to what Subnautica 1 is and you would really. You'd really enjoy it.
[00:51:49] Speaker B: Without retreading.
[00:51:50] Speaker A: Little as there is, it doesn't do
[00:51:51] Speaker B: the exact same thing. Which is good.
[00:51:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Yes. With. Without it being. With. With it being a pre release with as little as there is to do, there is still a lot to explore and find.
I haven't even. I've beat the story that they've released, but there's still so much for me to find and resources that I haven't even came across yet.
But yeah, that's it. Check out. I've been playing Subnautica 2 and check it out. All right, so we got. Let's go back to.
Let's see. Mike is sharing a couple games with us. So we're gonna bounce around here. Mike, talk about your. Yeah, talk about your first game.
[00:52:30] Speaker B: I got one more here and that's. I'm continuing my trend because it made me think about it more. Warhammer. And on the complete opposite side, because Warhammer has multiple separate franchises that are all Warhammer. There's a fantasy, there's a super Sci Fi, there's the high fantasy and a lower fantasy. We're going back to. This is Total Warhammer 3, the game that saved fantasy.
They had a lot of problems with their fantasy world. They stock changed things and they killed the world they'd like. End times happened. The world is dead. They created a new game to continue off into the future. When Total War Warhammer came out, that world was dead. But it was so beloved by like the game went and sold so well and became so beloved that they had to remake the game. And so they created something called Old world.
Total Warhammer 3 is the culmination of everything that was done. It is quite literally built on the back of two other games that if you own you can use everything from them. Every expansion you bought everything else you have. The only thing that's unique to specifically the second one is the campaigns that were for the classes that were within that. The multiplayer version. All of it's playable in the new game. What is this game? Well, it's sort of a mix between grand strategy, real time strategy and like 4x. Total Warhammer is one of the most fun strategy games I have ever played.
Once you get the knack behind it because it's not immediately easy to play. There's a lot of systems that aren't really super well explained, but it doesn't take terribly long to figure them out. The main problem is battles and learning how to Play a battle and what is strong and what is weak and then you get world versus battle. But it's in a very similar manner to wow. The game I talked about earlier, Heroes of Might and Magic. There's an overworld world map and then there is a battle map. Only instead of being turn based strategy, there's a real time strategy when it goes through that. There are about 80 different characters that you can play as there are 30 different races.
There's so much. If there's anything that you like. Do you like Chinese history? There's a Warhammer race for that. Do you like classic fantasy? You have your dwarves and your elves. They're there. Orcs are around, only they're a little bit sillier.
Do you like the D and D style Dark elves? The drowsy dark elves are around and they're kind of fucked up.
So there's tons and tons of different things to play. As if you count all three games together. I have more hours in this than 400 plus 550, something like that. Because each of them sort of is built on top of the other. And then you can just take it with.
It's really hard to describe everything about the game because there's too many things to describe. There is so much content.
There is too much content to just talk about baseline. So if you are a fan of grand strategy, real time strategy, and you have even a passing interest in Warhammer Creative assembly or any interest in the Total War games at all, any other Total War franchise, Total Warhammer 3 is probably the pinnacle of anything they have ever made.
It is one of the best real time strategies. It is not at Starcraft's level. Nothing is.
[00:55:56] Speaker C: I mean just literally nothing is.
[00:55:59] Speaker B: But it has such a different feel to StarCraft that it's not even like trying to. To scratch the same itch. It's not that kind of real time strategy because only battles are that way. So you don't have to worry about build macro and do other things about that. It has such a unique niche and it also has eight player multiplayer and have eight people in the same game.
It's such a fun game. I have done in another server that I'm in with Jax. There's a couple people that we've done like seven person multiplayer games and it's been a blast. We do two or three hours at a time and then obviously then someone usually vanishes because they have to. But it's. It's a game you can sink so much time into. I'll end it there for Now.
[00:56:47] Speaker A: Right on. All right, Jax, you want to talk about your last game and then segue us into you and Mike?
[00:56:52] Speaker C: Sure. So the last game I played this was a multiplayer game. I streamed on Tuesday with Kaylaer, who's been on this podcast before.
I played Deadlock, the Valve shooter moba.
It's weird. I'm not sure if I liked it.
So this is literally a moba. There are three lanes, there are minions you push, waves you take. They call them walkers, but they're towers, like in league, essentially.
And you're. You pick from a cast of characters and you have a loadout of skills and there's a shop and you buy items to create your build along with the skills you've leveled up and you get skill points and you can rank up your skills to make them do more things. Like, it's literally a moba. The reason I'm not sure I like it is every character also has like a gun because it's a third person shooter gameplay wise. Except every character I tried, the gun part felt really lousy. Like, it felt like it did no damage and often was kind of clunky to use.
I don't know if that's a result of game design or if it's a result of me not knowing what I'm doing because I was brand new to the game.
But it also does. Every character has both a light and heavy melee and there's a parry system. And that seems to be the way to do PvP damage. Is that plus your character's skills? I didn't really care for that so much. I hate parry mechanics in games. Like famously hate parry mechanics in games.
And it seems very tied around that. So not for me.
It does have some cool things because it is a third person game to get out on the map.
There's zip lines, one for each lane, and you can just jump up onto them at any point if you're not in combat and ride them in either direction. And then there's a big open area in between each lane that you can run around in and find money or some other stuff.
Like, it has a lot of the core things that make MOBAs good. We won some and lost some in the games I was playing. So, like, it has a player base.
It's.
I think what it comes down to, to me is when I'm playing a shooter, I want the shooting to feel good. And it's. The shooting feels worse than Overwatch and I hated Overwatch because the shooting doesn't feel good.
[00:59:21] Speaker A: So when you're talking like third person. Are we. Are you. Do you mean like an actual over the shoulder? Like third or not over the shoulder. But you are behind your character. Call of Duty times. Okay. Huh?
[00:59:32] Speaker C: It is a proper third person.
[00:59:35] Speaker A: Is it fully skill shot based? Like you have to aim your.
[00:59:40] Speaker C: It depends on the skill. Many of your abilities are skill shots. Many of them are going to have at least some sort of auto targeting.
The melee seems to have a lot of forgiveness in the auto targeting. The guns. It varies depending on the gun.
[00:59:56] Speaker B: Okay, I forgot about the. The guns do have shots.
It sounds remarkably like a game that doesn't. I mean the most.
[01:00:05] Speaker C: The most similar to it would be like Smiter, Paragon, Smite.
[01:00:08] Speaker B: That was it anymore.
[01:00:12] Speaker C: That still exists I think. Isn't it? Doesn't it?
[01:00:14] Speaker B: That Smite died.
[01:00:15] Speaker C: I know. Paragon's gone.
[01:00:17] Speaker B: Paragon's long dead.
[01:00:20] Speaker C: Smite's still around.
[01:00:21] Speaker B: Never mind. Smite's just spiritually dead.
[01:00:24] Speaker C: I don't know how much of a. I don't know how much of a player base it has anymore. But it does still exist.
[01:00:30] Speaker A: Oh. The original game is still remain. The server is still remaining active but no longer receiving updates. Mite two, however. Ah.
[01:00:39] Speaker B: That's what happened. Okay.
[01:00:41] Speaker C: Gotcha. Yeah.
[01:00:42] Speaker A: I don't know.
[01:00:43] Speaker C: It was like I had fun. Would I play it again? I mean if a bunch of people want to play it with me, I would play it with them. But I probably would never play this on my own.
[01:00:54] Speaker A: So what I'm hearing is it just the whole time with the shooting. You just feel like an early game. Adc Into a tank.
[01:01:01] Speaker C: Into a tank. Yes.
It's quite literally on most of the characters I tried. It would take more than a full magazine of whatever their gun is directly into someone's head to kill them when that someone is at an equal progression level as you more than a full magazine worth of headshots.
Including the character who has like a magnum revolver and a headshot mechanic tied into their kit.
[01:01:29] Speaker A: Interesting.
[01:01:30] Speaker C: I did not like the shooting in Deadlock at all. It is the main reason that I am probably not going to play it on my own and would only play it if friends invite me. I was disappointed. If the shooting felt good, I probably would have had a blast. But it felt more like third person spell casting that also has shooting for some reason.
[01:01:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Not the game for you then.
[01:01:53] Speaker C: Very much not the game for me. Like I said, I couldn't even play Overwatch because the shooting didn't feel good enough to me in Overwatch. And Overwatch has much Better shooting than this does.
[01:02:00] Speaker A: It's High Noon. All right, Jax, Mike, both have Warframe listed.
[01:02:06] Speaker C: Yep.
[01:02:06] Speaker A: What's going on there?
[01:02:08] Speaker C: So, speaking of a game that has good shooting, Mike and I played a bit of Warframe last week.
And for context, I hadn't played Warframe in years.
I'm looking it up when we all lived together. And like, that update was.
That update was 2018, so I think
[01:02:29] Speaker B: that was way pre Covid.
[01:02:30] Speaker C: I think it has been like seven or eight years since I last actually played Warframe.
It's been a long time. That was the end of 2018, so we'll call it seven years. And Warframe still plays great. Immediately on getting into it, I was able to do the, like, ninja jumping that Warframe is known for. Like, muscle memory kicked in instantly after seven years of not touching this game for movement.
I love Warframe's movement. The shooting in Warframe has always been fantastic. Not literally the best, because I think Bungie still has better Gunplay feel.
[01:03:05] Speaker B: Yes, they do, but like, they're like
[01:03:09] Speaker C: a tier where Bungie is S tier. Like, it's good gunplay.
[01:03:12] Speaker B: The thing Warframe does much better than Bungee is flipping between Gunplay and the rest of your kit.
[01:03:20] Speaker C: Yes.
[01:03:21] Speaker B: The. The movement between gun and melee. And movement is so fluid.
[01:03:26] Speaker C: And whatever your frame's abilities may be,
[01:03:29] Speaker B: Magic ninjas in space is the best way to describe Warframe. And it feels like it.
[01:03:35] Speaker C: So all of that was fantastic. Where I ran into problems is I haven't played this game in seven years and it has so many layers upon layers upon layers upon layers upon layers upon layers of systems.
And this was true then. And now there's seven years of additional shit piled on top. And they do not make any effort to re onboard you as a returning player.
[01:04:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:04:04] Speaker C: And that was disappointing.
[01:04:06] Speaker B: Intro quest. And as far as I know, none of us had done the new player experience. They've redone that like three or four times because each time they've done it has been hard to get into. And neither of us did like open multiplayer. We just played directly with each other. So we were sort of reinforcing our own question marks. I know some people who still play the game. I did not ask any of them to come and help us specifically so that we could have a blind reintroduction.
[01:04:30] Speaker C: Yeah. Because it had been, what, three, four years for you?
[01:04:33] Speaker B: I played consistently like two years ago. And then I played on and off like a week here, a few days there every so often till like six months ago.
[01:04:48] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:04:48] Speaker C: So much more recent than me, but
[01:04:50] Speaker B: not enough to understand the systems. I still did a bunch of older things.
[01:04:54] Speaker C: It still has some things that absolutely frustrated the shit out of me. Like your character customization.
Apparently they completely revamped the character customization system since I last played. And they didn't carry over what you did initially into the new system in any way, shape or form. It wasn't a. Here's the best approximation of your old one. Now go tweak it with all this new shit. It was, oh, shit's changed. So you're now the bog standard default npc. None of your customizations exist anymore. Make a new character. Essentially, in terms of aesthetic customization, that annoys me because there's even if the exact face, the exact hair don't exist under the new system because it's a new system with new art assets.
They could have like kept my hair color or my character's gender or any detail about my character. They did nothing. They made no effort to have that be a character that I might recognize as my character. That annoys me as a returning player. Coming back to a character that is not your character that you remember when you quit is a horrible experience.
[01:06:06] Speaker B: I know why they did that. I can't explain why they did that because that is a story spoiler and we don't spoil Warframe story stuff.
[01:06:15] Speaker C: Yeah, but I know why they did annoyed me. Mike and I both had the same story quest available as our next story quest. We could not do story quests together. They are solo only. Why the are story quests solo only in a multiplayer co op shooter and let people do them together? God damn it.
[01:06:33] Speaker B: We, we didn't try and break it through. So a lot of the times they will do things like that where you'll start a story quest and then you'll be able to break off and do stuff with people and then go back to solo and then multiplayer. We didn't even try. We both went.
[01:06:45] Speaker C: We wanted to play together.
[01:06:46] Speaker B: We just want to play together. We're now we're not gonna deal with however long the story thing is gonna have to take. It could have taken five minutes and we would have been perfectly happy doing more story stuff together. But the fact that we couldn't initially do that is an annoying part. Even if maybe soon after we would have been able to.
[01:07:02] Speaker C: Yeah. Now that being said, I highly recommend Warframe if you're looking for a movement shooter co op game.
[01:07:10] Speaker B: If you like Destiny and you don't want to play Destiny, Warframe is very good.
[01:07:17] Speaker C: Or alternately, if you Like Destiny and don't like Marathon because Destiny support ended.
Destiny 2 is now like end of life game. It is in maintenance mode now.
[01:07:29] Speaker B: It's getting no more updates. It's. It's. It's a finished game, which has ups and downs to it. A finished game means that there's no longer any more tweaks, their multiplayer. It's all done. You're good. The game is now over. You don't have to worry about missing anything else. If you buy the game, you can complete the game. But Live service also has its. Its massive perks.
But as we've talked about, there's some pretty big downsides to not knowing what the fuck is going on.
[01:07:54] Speaker C: Yeah, it took us, what, 20 minutes to even get into any kind of a level because we just didn't know what the fuck to do.
[01:08:01] Speaker B: Yeah, we weren't sure how to do a thing on there. I had access to something and you didn't. So it tried to go through and then wouldn't let us do it, even though I could pick it and start it. And then it just started me on the mission and left him behind.
[01:08:13] Speaker C: Yep.
[01:08:14] Speaker B: And so it. It has. It has its flaws.
[01:08:18] Speaker C: However, that being said, I still think it's best in genre.
[01:08:20] Speaker B: It still felt great to play.
And I'm sure that if we went and talked to anybody who has been playing and they said, hey, these are the things you want to be doing in this sort of an order, and this will progress you forward. The community in Warframe has always been the single best multiplayer community I have ever been a part of. They're very open, they're very forgiving.
[01:08:42] Speaker C: They're very, very good about not spoiling you on anything you haven't seen yet, but also being happy to discuss anything you have.
[01:08:50] Speaker B: They're. And they're very happy to push you forward. Hey, you're gonna go through this thing. I know you don't want to do that. So let's steer you around the thing so we can get you back to where you want to go.
[01:08:59] Speaker A: All right, well, we got one more group of games to talk about with Mike. I'm gonna quickly go through it because I know we're running close on time. I finally finished Diablo 4. The story.
My God, what a story. It was awesome. Great, great.
[01:09:15] Speaker B: Best in class.
[01:09:19] Speaker A: It's. It's so good, you know, I Killed Mephisto.
A lot of stuff in between there that, you know, kind of breaks your heart and makes you sad, but, you know, uplifting. It's. It was good.
So I'M into the end game and they didn't do a great job of telling me what I need to do next. So I had to do some Google searching to kind of remember what I was supposed to be doing. So I ended up getting into Torment one last night and that's where I kind of stopped.
[01:09:52] Speaker B: Capture character. Got it.
[01:09:54] Speaker A: Yep. I got to 70.
I'm at Paragon. Like 28 I think because they come quick. Those levels come very quick.
[01:10:01] Speaker B: First 50 or so pretty fast.
[01:10:04] Speaker A: And I'm having. I'm having a lot of fun. I'm playing Warlock and I finished the story, original story, doing my own build and it was very strong. I mean just to be able to beat mephisto at level 55 or whatever. 52. I don't remember what. I was in a hard mode. Like it felt pretty good. Like I was doing lots of damage. And then I swatched swapped to Dread Claw damage because I looked up a build and my God, I do insane amounts. But it. The whole build is based off being like having unique items and stuff so you don't have to worry about resource building.
So that's where I'm like feeling pretty lax as I'm not. I don't have a good resource builder, so. But other than that, I'm having a lot of problem, a lot of good time. I'm aoeing and just one shotting even in torment one like, you know, I'm capped at 850 item level.
Mostly full on legendaries. I got a couple uniques. Pretty good.
I didn't know where to put my ashes, where to do that.
I've gotten lots of my Azerothian stuff. So I've unlocked a lot of the Transmogs, which is cool. Got me Hand of Ragnaros or and the Blessed Blade of the Windseeker and all those cool ones. Thunder Fury. And I have the cool Teleport or the TP with the Dark Portal. So that's really fun. But I enjoyed it. It's a good game.
I kind of got bored like, all right, I'm at the max level now.
This is usually where I find in myself in Diablo. And then I start thinking, all right, I think I might want to level up a next class because I'm not like striving to be like a. You know, get the best of the best.
I kind of just enjoy Diablo for the leveling up so much.
[01:11:56] Speaker B: Much like you.
I have now four characters that are captain in the end game because going through one and playing into the infinite end game is less fun to me than building other character and tweaking it out and figuring it out than absolutely perfecting the one character. Because absolutely perfecting it. Like there's some fun to that. I know Dax Dugs to do that in like Poe to optimize the one character really, really well. That chase is a chase that I only want to do once and then I would much, much rather have a good time bouncing between other things and figuring things out and having a good place.
[01:12:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
Diablo 4. I recommend it especially for the story. Not a huge in game person on Diablo IV myself. Never have been. But I know, Jax, you had something you want to mention before we wrap it up.
[01:12:48] Speaker C: Yeah. So I just learned about this literally while we're recording this. But if you're in the United States, apparently gkids has acquired the rights to Adolescence of Utena, one of the greatest anime films ever made, and it's going to be airing in US theaters this June.
If you have any interest in anime, especially like historically important anime, this is one of the greatest anime movies ever made. It's pretty much unanimously one of the top 10 anime movies ever made.
Revolutionary Girl Utena is kind of like an early Magical Girl mecha.
Weird thing.
It's its own thing. I don't know how to explain Utena, but it's. It's early Yuri anime, basically.
And I want to go see this in theaters. And you don't need to have watched the show like it is its own thing. You don't need to have seen the show or read the manga to enjoy the movie.
[01:13:50] Speaker A: Awesome. Go check it out, guys. If you like. If you're in. If you're wanting to watch that, it's a good, good. Probably a good movie. I never watched it.
What? We are out of time, so I'm gonna have to wrap it up, guys. Thanks for. Thanks for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed our 20 questions.
If you have any games you want us to play, let us know.
Love to play them again. Follow us on Twitch. Jackson. Mike of Many Names. Pillow Pet. Have a good night.
[01:14:20] Speaker C: Bye Bye.
[01:14:21] Speaker B: Good night, everybody.
