Episode Transcript
[00:00:10] Speaker A: Hello and welcome to episode 7 of from 8bit to 4k. I'm your host this week. I'm Jack Sohlman and I've got with me two other co hosts and a special guest. We've got Mike of many names.
[00:00:22] Speaker B: How's it going everybody?
[00:00:24] Speaker A: We've got Pillow Pet.
[00:00:26] Speaker C: Hello.
[00:00:27] Speaker A: And this week we've got a special guest. We've got Kaylaer with us tonight.
[00:00:31] Speaker D: Hello. I'm definitely a furry.
[00:00:34] Speaker A: It's true, she is. We'll let her introduce herself more in a moment. We got some shout outs to get out of the way. First, shout out to Codex Ninja, Pillow Pet, Skippius Esquire, Labana and Uncle Chrisco for supporting the podcast at the shoutouts here on Patreon. Thank you guys so much. We couldn't do this without you. Now if you want to support the podcast, head over to patreon.com the4wards podcast. That's our podcast network that we're a part of. $1 a month just tells us that you love us. $5 a month gets you an exclusive feed of some behind the scenes audio of our prep work before each show and $10 a month gets you that same feed and you get shouted out at the top of every episode. And all of those benefits apply to both this show and our League of Legends show, the four Wards podcast.
So guys, I'm going to start with Kaylaer. Tell us about yourself, introduce the listeners to who you are and talk about the games you've been playing lately.
[00:01:29] Speaker D: I am a long time gamer. Gamer First.
I was basically born with controller in my hands.
There's actual photo evidence of my umbilical cord being a SNES wire, believe it or not. 100 true. 69 true. Take it however you like it.
I've been playing a lot of Duet Night Abyss.
It's basically Anime Warframe. There's a lot of it's there. It's its own distinct thing though.
And I also play a fair amount of Wild Assault and Palworld. My. My game taste is literally just about everything besides League. And so far the only other game I've really disliked is Ready or Not.
[00:02:15] Speaker A: I was gonna say I've gotten you to play League.
[00:02:17] Speaker D: Yeah, I'll dabble in league for sure. You know it's. It's got the furry bait characters.
I'll get. I'll get in there and get smacked around. Star Guardian, Niko Live and Die.
[00:02:27] Speaker A: There you go. So tell us about Duet Night Abyss. What is this you said it's for? It's Anime Warframe Yeah.
[00:02:34] Speaker D: So it kind of borrows it like some of its movements and gameplay from Warframe.
It's definitely a game where the. You kind of pick a character and you want to play via the character's powers rather than the gear.
But it was a gacha game and then they took out all the gacha and I am all about that because I don't want to pay a lot of money just to pull characters. It's why I don't. I personally don't play Genshin or Wuthering Waves or some of the other bigger gacha games. Like, don't get me wrong, the story and stuff and the characters are all well designed in those games, but I just, I can't very. I just can't justify the price tag. I. I can't.
[00:03:30] Speaker A: Gacha games are exploit. Event. Exploitative as hell anyway. So good on them for removing the Gotcha.
[00:03:37] Speaker D: They. They like kind of have it for like premium outfits, but it's like they're still gonna have like outfits you can buy for like 15 bucks here and there, I imagine. So that's.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: That's your monetization for those kind of games. They need to have a way of making money. If you have a free game, a free game needs to make money.
[00:03:56] Speaker D: And I, I will definitely support buying cosmetics because I am a cosmetic slut.
Oh my goodness.
[00:04:06] Speaker A: Yeah, they, they definitely get their, their, their hooks into you when it comes to the cosmetics. I've seen it.
So what else have you been playing besides Duet Night Abyss?
[00:04:17] Speaker D: Another game that I really, really, really enjoy is Wild Assault.
We usually refer to it just straight up as Furry Battlefield.
It's very engaging. It's played in third person perspective.
You get to pick from a cast of furry characters, and they each have powers that closely resemble to what they would kind of like have if it was like real world. Like, the character I play the most is the skunk.
She gets to throw out toxic gas pretty much everywhere. She can lay down trip mines that if trips will lay out toxic gas.
The bear, he's kind of, you know, bears are just, you know, big strong guys.
You can drop down shields, huck flaming barrels everywhere. You get like a mobile cannon, there's a meerkat. He can like dig and move through the field.
He can drop like a mobile spawn for your teammates.
Then they just revealed the new character. It's a snow leopard. She's very pretty. I.
I want her to. Princess. Carry me across the battlefield.
[00:05:33] Speaker A: Have you gotten live to play this game yet?
[00:05:35] Speaker D: I don't think so. I Don't think L. Liv has it but now that they're. Yeah, now that they're adding a snow leopard, she'll probably play.
[00:05:47] Speaker A: You describe it as furry battlefield, but it's more like.
It's more like furry like Overwatch or.
[00:05:53] Speaker B: That's what it sounds like.
[00:05:55] Speaker A: Marvel Rivals. Like it's more of a hero shooter but the gunplay feels very battlefield esque as opposed to like the gunplay in most hero shooters feels very.
[00:06:04] Speaker B: Are the guns tied to the characters or are they things that you can just pick and choose?
[00:06:08] Speaker D: No, you can pick and choose but basically like it kind of functions a little bit on like a. More like a class system.
So like if you want to be like a tank, you'll get Access to like LMGs is specific to them. Whereas like if you want to play support you can get like, like some basic shotguns. SMGs.
If you want to be like an assault class, you get access to like assault rifles but not access to like sniper rifles or DMRs.
It kind of depends on what body type and class the character has that you pick.
[00:06:49] Speaker A: That's why I said it's kind of a mix of like a hero shooter and a battlefield esque game.
[00:06:53] Speaker B: It's like pretty fun.
[00:06:54] Speaker A: I've played it.
[00:06:55] Speaker B: It's something a lot more like the old Battlefront Star Wars a little bit I would say.
[00:07:01] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. It's a little closer to that actually now that I think about it.
[00:07:06] Speaker B: Damn.
Damn it.
[00:07:09] Speaker A: I wish my hand was fixed. I could play it.
[00:07:12] Speaker B: Oh, that game needs to go on the list.
[00:07:13] Speaker D: We. I got Jax to buy it and he's played it.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: Yeah, it's fun and it's only like 15 bucks too. It's not an expensive game and it being not free does a lot to like paywall out the people who would be shitty in it.
I'd much rather a multiplayer game like that be cheap but buy to play.
[00:07:34] Speaker D: I. I don't know if you've seen it Jax, but they added the, the Halloween skin for the fox and it is, it is, it is very good.
[00:07:42] Speaker A: Of course they did.
[00:07:44] Speaker D: It's really good. I'm pretty sure I could just share like a quick thingy in the side chat. Oh no, I, I don't have permission.
[00:07:50] Speaker A: It's fine.
They're an audio medium anyway. The listeners wouldn't be able to see it but go check out Wild Assault.
Alright Mike, your hands still hurt? So what have you been playing?
[00:08:01] Speaker B: Well, I said I would do it last last episode so I downloaded a Quinnie Pop and Messed with it.
It's far more complex and interesting than it gets credit for. On the surface, it is a, like, mild combination of dating sim and puzzle game through and through, splattered with just sexiness and porny things.
There's not a terribly large cast of characters. There's like nine total. You go through them, you slowly start to try and open up and date and give him gifts and do some things.
And then as you're talking, you build up information about these people and then they'll start asking you questions like, hey, did you remember what I told you about me? Like, were you paying attention to any of this? And so like, they, they check to make sure you're not just clicking. And then the dates are the puzzles. And you go on the date with the person and you get to the puzzle. It's a matching puzzle. It's a lot more like bejeweled. And in the very, very beginning, it's relatively easy. You match three, match four, etc. As things fall down and move off to the side, you get points and end it. It's very simple to understand.
It gets surprisingly hard later in the game because the amount of points you need to progress with a successful date goes up very quickly. And so you need to like. There are some in game currencies that are spent. One for like giving gifts and doing affection to your dates. And another is leveling up the.
The stats so that you can get more points when you actually match things.
And you can put a ton of points into just one stat if you're only really going to care about one person for the most part.
Or you can spread it out and you'll have a harder time if you spread it out. But also if you're not getting that one thing to spawn, you're going to have slightly more points. So it's, it's more complex than it has its own credit for. For the date portion one. That's how that all functions. Eventually you'll max out on a relationship status and you can go fuck someone. You have to do this at night and you have to go through. And then there is puzzle time for the date for the fucking.
[00:10:22] Speaker A: Of course there is.
[00:10:23] Speaker B: And puzzle time for the fucking is timed. It's very different.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: Of course it is. So what happens when you fail the puzzle? Does it like just let you try again immediately or does it like, continue from a fail state and you have to try again next time you fail.
[00:10:39] Speaker B: The date, you get no progression towards the romance.
You've wasted whatever the tiny resource was that you had to do with the date, which is basically time and day. You're no longer able to do much with them that day. You can still, like, gain more affection, but you can't ever progress, move towards.
Towards the ultimate goal of.
[00:11:00] Speaker A: I see.
[00:11:01] Speaker B: And for all of those, nothing is time. So you can get. Sit there and try and just maximize points.
Fucking puzzle is different. Fucking puzzle doesn't have points. Fucking puzzle is match quickly because you're just trying to, I guess, progress the orgasm bar. And if you. And if you don't progress fast enough, it just degrades. And so if you're. If you wait too long, nothing happens. You're sitting there going, oh, no.
[00:11:30] Speaker A: Okay. So one thing you complained about with the other porn games you tried last week was the writing. How is the writing in Huniepop Both.
[00:11:39] Speaker B: Better and the same in the sense that the characters are actually distinct.
Some of them are actually a little bit charming. It's not a real dating sim. It has nowhere near the depth of those, but it's much closer to that depth than it is to the raw shallowness of shitty porn game.
[00:12:01] Speaker A: Fair enough.
All right, pillow, your turn. What the fuck have you been playing recently?
[00:12:06] Speaker C: Well, I've had a lot of time since our last recording to play a game and talk about it.
So Jurassic World Evolution 3.
I was going to talk about it a little bit last time, but I wanted to save it for this. This episode.
So if anybody's never played any of the Jurassic World Evolution games, they're basically just like Tycoon park building games.
And your whole. The whole like. The really cool thing about it that I've been enjoying is you can like mix genealogies of dinosaurs and like combine dinosaurs and make your own breeds, I guess you could say. And then, you know, you just put them in a park and guests come in, you make lots of money and you just keep building it. And like, the whole story of it is to progress is you got to do like multiple. You have to. The points are the stars in your park and you can go anywhere from 0 stars to 5 stars. And when you get a 5 star rating, you get to move on to the next one. And then if you have a total of like 15 stars and you open up a new part of the world to go open a park. So there's a story to it which seems interesting. I haven't got a whole lot of time in it.
I'm struggling with carnivores, and it took me an embarrassing long amount of time trying to figure out why I Put these little, little raptors in. The ones that we were talking about the other night, you know, with the frills.
I put them in and they just kept escaping and murdering my entire park of people. And I couldn't figure out why. And it's because I didn't upgrade my fencing. So they had herbivore fencing and they needed, like, medium sized fencing. So there's a lot to learn on it. And with most games that I'm trying to learn organically, I don't look up guides or Google it. So I'm just like, trying to figure out what's my problem. But I've been playing that. It's pretty fun. It's a nice couch comfort. You know, I can sit down and play and not have to come hide back in my game room. Or I can just out with the family.
[00:14:15] Speaker A: Fair enough.
Not much has really changed for me on what I'm playing, but I've gotten a little closer to beating Cyberpunk 2077. So that's what I'm gonna talk about. I am so close to beating this game. I have access to the final mission. I could just go do it and avenge Rebecca, which is my whole goal. But I haven't yet because I have a few more side things I want to clean up. I've already dated best girl. It's Judy. It's always Judy. Judy's best girl.
[00:14:44] Speaker C: I still haven't met either of those people.
[00:14:46] Speaker A: You've definitely met Judy. She's in the very beginning of the game.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: She's the female ripper, the lesbian. Right.
[00:14:52] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was gonna say you have to meet her.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:55] Speaker C: Then probably have. It's been a while since I've played it. I need to play it so good now that, like, you mentioned, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I was playing that same.
[00:15:02] Speaker B: It's hard too.
[00:15:03] Speaker A: It's so good.
The biggest problem I'm having in Cyberpunk is I can't find any way to play the game that's more effective than just quick hacking everyone to death all the time. And that's kind of the most boring way to play the game. But it's really effective.
So, yeah, I just have to, like, force myself to find more interesting ways to do fights.
[00:15:27] Speaker D: I think it comes down to the guns. Or if you install monowire or Mantis Blades. Mantis Blades are a lot of fun.
[00:15:38] Speaker B: Mantis Blades is where I'm gonna be going when I go over there when I eventually get back.
[00:15:42] Speaker A: But yeah, maybe, maybe I'll just make a final Push and just finish out the. The side things I have left and go beat the game and avenge Rebecca.
[00:15:51] Speaker C: Because that's before we move on. I got a question I've been burning to ask Mike and I keep forgetting what game when your hand is healed, are you just jumping right into like what are you most excited to play?
[00:16:04] Speaker B: So there's excited to play and I have to play because I'm addicted.
[00:16:09] Speaker A: We know. We know. The second one is.
[00:16:10] Speaker B: Wow. Well, it's also league. Both. Both of those are. Both of those are. I'm gonna have to do.
I was just.
I just started. You know what? It's Ghost of Tsushima.
[00:16:22] Speaker C: Are you gonna move on to the next one after that?
[00:16:25] Speaker B: Well, I think that's still a console game, so.
[00:16:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't. I don't think that one's on PC.
[00:16:29] Speaker C: Oh, they haven't. They haven't PC.
[00:16:33] Speaker B: Or Bloodlines 2. Emperor the Masquerade. Bloodlines 2. Because I was very much looking forward to that game and most of the side tangent for this one. The problem that I have seen is that half the people who go there expect Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines. And they named the game wrong because it's not a Bloodlines game.
[00:16:54] Speaker A: Explain.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: Bloodlines is this.
It's more like cyberpunk as a game style. It's your character. You build the stuff. It has a very similar to cyberpunk situation with your character. That's not what this is. You are a specific person with much more controlled what you can do. It is a Vampire the Masquerade game. It's just not Bloodlines. And from what I have gathered, the game they have made is very fun, but it's not what people are expecting, which is a shame.
[00:17:28] Speaker C: More thing.
This is right up our alley and I'm surprised we didn't even talk about it yesterday. Maybe I'm the only one that's like interested in it. The next new Xbox. Have you guys heard anything about that?
[00:17:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I've heard it's going to be $1200.
[00:17:42] Speaker C: It's a PC.
It's literally just a PC and they're doing it. And you're going to be able to play wow on your couch.
[00:17:49] Speaker B: Mike, I have no desire for it whatsoever.
[00:17:52] Speaker C: I'm going to probably get it because I'm just a sucker for all things new when it comes to consoles. But I was like, man, that's pretty neat. Probably gonna be the last Xbox till you get the new processor. Like, oh, get this Xbox. It's got the next new processor in it. It's seventeen hundred dollars.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: I mean, ever since they started also cross publishing everything they do on PC, the Xbox has just increasingly had no reason to actually exist as a console. Selling another handheld gaming focused PC that's like plug and play, no frills with their. Now that they have a handheld, that they have their game windows gaming console style aesthetic available makes sense. And they'll call it an Xbox. But if they're just a PC, literally just be a commodity PC, hopefully like.
[00:18:43] Speaker B: It'Ll be a PS5.
[00:18:44] Speaker C: If it is just gonna be like a PC tower, hopefully you can buy upgrades for it over time instead of having to go buy a whole new console. Like, hey, here's this new processor we came out with for the X Tower or whatever they want to call it.
And you just go out and buy bits at a time. But they won't.
[00:19:04] Speaker A: No, because the value of having it be a specific console SKU would be that that's still something developers can target a specific configuration to have a consistent experience.
[00:19:17] Speaker C: Fair enough.
[00:19:17] Speaker B: There's a good reason for it to exist. It's just. It's not something that I give a shit about because I have a good enough PC.
[00:19:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm just not the target audience.
So since we're talking about the next Xbox and the kinds of experience it can give, let's talk about some older games that desperately need a remake to modern platforms with modern conveniences and quality of life and pillow. Your list is wild. So I'm gonna have you start us off.
[00:19:46] Speaker C: So when you brought up this topic and I was sitting there, the first game that popped in my mind is Simpsons Hit and Run. So I don't know if you guys like, if anybody knows.
Not everybody's heard about Simpsons Hit and Run. So Simpson Hit and Run was like the Simpsons unraveled a alien conspiracy and they're out to like figure out what the heck's going on. And involved like WASP cameras and like mind control, like colas and drinks that were taking people over. And you're just going from. I remember of course, the first, the first level is always in like Springfield. And you unlock characters as you go. I think you start as Homer, of course, and you go out and you do these missions for some people. You can get out of your vehicle, you collect things, and then you can unlock or buy other characters as you go, which progresses more of the story for you. So you have to unlock this character to progress into the next area etc or to do certain missions. And it's just such a popular game. I'm surprised. Like I can understand why it hasn't got a remake. It's got licensing issues.
You're gonna run into issues with the character. Apu.
There's all sorts of reasons and red tape that they'd have to get through to make a remake. But I would love to see it happen.
[00:21:07] Speaker A: Fair enough. All right, Mike, pick one of yours and explain to us why you think some of these games that are fantastic games need a remake.
[00:21:18] Speaker B: I'm going to start with the game that owns my heart the most out of all of these, which is Heroes of Might and Magic three. I love the Heroes of Might and Magic franchise.
[00:21:26] Speaker A: Okay, I'm going to immediately counterpoint you. Heroes of might and Magic 5 is just a Heroes of Might and Magic 3 remake. And it's worse.
[00:21:34] Speaker B: Yes. Which is why it needs a new remake. Because they remade it poorly.
[00:21:38] Speaker A: Why does it need a remake?
Besides just being 25 years old, why does it need.
[00:21:43] Speaker B: Well one, I have been playing it and it's. It feels 25 years old and as much as like this is one of the old, old strategy games, it's not quite. It's not a real time strategy because it's turn based. It's not 4x. It's. I don't know if it has a direct category comparison, but you can feel the age when you play it. Part of it is animations, part of it is writing is not great. Like if you do any story verm, there's not a. Not a well done story. There's some okay things in the background.
This is just very, very well done.
Strategic multiplayer and it could be so much more.
[00:22:32] Speaker A: So multiplayer. You can play two people at one computer and just take turns.
[00:22:37] Speaker B: Yeah, this. There's so much that you can do with this. And then four came on four was just worse than five. Come on. Five was not good. And six came on six is not good. And then I don't remember them ever doing another one. I don't know if they did, but.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: They called it something different.
[00:22:52] Speaker B: Well, they switched from Heroes of Might and Magic to Might and Magic Heroes. Yep. And then they may have switched back to Heroes Might and Magic. So they've. They've like changed the naming scheme multiple times. They've changed some things.
They really need to go black like to. It's part city builder which, which you like. You have a base you city build you to build yourself the strongest army you can.
It's part hero builder because your hero, that is the main section gains power against level gains magic games, items, etc. And then you have the army itself that you have. Any one of those three can drastically increase you over an opponent.
[00:23:32] Speaker C: Oh, man.
[00:23:33] Speaker B: I have a weaker army than you, so I'm gonna get nuked. But my hero is real fucking strong and my base is insane.
So I'm gonna go into you, wreck your army and just remake my fucking army immediately.
[00:23:46] Speaker A: I literally have played a game of Heroes of might and Magic 3 where I had a super powerful mage hero who could cast a really high level Armageddon spell. And I gave him one. I think it was a Phoenix, which is a super fast unit. So I would always go first. And it's immune to fire magic.
And I would just. Every battle walk in, I get first turn because my Phoenix is faster than whatever they have.
And I'd immediately just cast Armageddon and annihilate their entire army. It was so funny. I love Heroes of Might and Magic three. I definitely would love to see it updated to modern.
[00:24:23] Speaker B: It could use so much. Like, you don't even need to do too much. It's a mostly 2D game. Give it some 3D animations, upgrade the frame rate that it runs on because, oh my God, give it some new textures and actually make a single player. The old single player is not great, so you don't even have to worry about living up to that.
Just maintain what the multiplayer was and then maybe put a new single player and have it be good. But the big thing it needs, it needs proper online multiplayer, like matchmaking of some kind.
That is what's holding it back.
[00:24:59] Speaker A: Yeah, the problem is no one wants to do that in a turn based game. It would be nice.
[00:25:04] Speaker B: Well, there's.
There's totally that. With Civilization, people do that all the time.
[00:25:10] Speaker A: And it's like the only one.
[00:25:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it's the last one.
[00:25:13] Speaker A: And even then, doesn't that have a synchronous multiplayer where everyone takes their turn at the same time and then all the turns execute?
[00:25:20] Speaker B: That may be something they added in the more recent ones.
[00:25:22] Speaker A: I think that's what you'd have to do to have a turn based game be tolerable in multiplayer. Especially one where the turns can take as long as they can in might and Magic 3.
[00:25:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:31] Speaker A: All right, K, what the hell is this PS3 game? None of us have even like I'd heard the name. Tell us about it.
[00:25:39] Speaker D: So for White Knight Chronicles, I feel like, what is it?
[00:25:45] Speaker A: Explain what it is first.
[00:25:46] Speaker D: So it's kind of like.
It's a. It's a. It's like a mixture of High fantasy, except you get access to kind of like this, like, Mecha Night, and it's kind of like, you know, like, going like a super mode and oh, my God, it has been so long since I played, but I'd like to play it again.
It's.
It's a jrpg, so, like, there's a lot of story. I think what really hampered it is, like, they.
It got weird with Japan because, like, they released the initial White Knight Chronicles, but then, like, they did like this. Like, it wasn't really like, a sequel. It was like a sequel at the same time as, like, they released it as the first game and called it White Knight Chronicles 2. Except you still played through the first game to access the second game, which was confusing. And then, like, it got like a weird, like, dual story, like PSP or. No, not a psp, a Vita, like, side game. And it was like. It just got confusing on what you needed to play to understand the story.
But if you just bought White Night.
[00:27:09] Speaker A: Chronicles, sounds like peak JRPG right there.
[00:27:11] Speaker D: Yeah. So, like, you, like, initially, all you really needed to really buy to have a good time was just White Night Chronicles 2.
It got you the story, it got you, like, everything. And it included the first game.
Luckily, they made a way where you could, like, if you played the first game and didn't understand, you should have just bought White Night Chronicles 2. They had a way where you could port your progress from the. The first game to two.
But, like, the gameplay was fun when it was. When you got to be.
Of the. The.
The night is when it was really fun because you would summon, like, this mecha knight and you were either wiping, like, just wiping out huge fields of, like, you know, common soldiers, or you were having, like, really epic battles.
Even though it kind of used, like, the Final Fantasy 12 battle system, it felt really, really epic. And that. That was, like, its real strength just felt so amazing and epic and fun. And then also because it was jrpg, it had a lot of good loot and it had, like, a pseudo online system. So, like, when you wanted to farm, like, upgrade materials or rare drops and stuff, you could still do that with friends.
[00:28:43] Speaker A: Fair enough. You know what your description of this game reminds me of?
[00:28:47] Speaker D: What is it?
[00:28:48] Speaker B: Dinosaur Warriors?
[00:28:49] Speaker A: It's Xenogears.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: Oh.
[00:28:51] Speaker A: Xenogears is a game that desperately needs a remake. Let me explain what Xenogears is, and then I'll explain why it needs a remake. XenoGears was a PS1 RPG made by Squaresoft, I believe, and it is, like, a Turn based RPG with kind of a like combo point system to the combat. So you have like light, medium and heavy attacks and you have so many points you can spend per turn on attacks. And like medium attacks take two points and heavy attacks take three points. And if you did certain combinations of light, medium and heavy attacks, you do special moves. It was very like combo centric fighting game esque, but turn based.
And one of the big things in Xenogears was the Gears. It's a giant robot game and there's giant robots that your characters can get into and fight these giant robot battles that use a similar system. And it's very epic. That's why White Knight Chronicles. Your explanation of it reminded me of this.
[00:29:51] Speaker B: Xenogears isn't that it's one of the original Xenosaga games.
[00:29:56] Speaker A: It creates Xenosaga. Okay, and that's kind of where I'm going with this is it spawned a franchise that then became the Xenosaga games. And those all suck. I'm sorry. If you're a fan of Xenosaga, more power to you. Xenosaga and its sequels suck. Xenogears is a great game with one glaring, glaring problem. It's a two disc PS1 game. So it has all of the, like, it's a 30 year old game. Problems of it's a PS1 title, but the game was rushed. So when you finish disc one and go to disc two, you are presented with a wall of text explaining the story elements that are supposed to be happening right now. And then you go into a dungeon and then when you complete the dungeon, you get another wall of text and then another dungeon because they ran out of budget and had to just release the game as is.
Xenogears desperately needs a remake to flesh out the events in the last part of the game and to bring it all up to modern like presentation standards. I would love a remake of Xenogears, but I think the rights holders have no interest in it, unfortunately.
[00:31:10] Speaker C: Pillow.
[00:31:11] Speaker A: Talk about another one. Pick something off your list.
[00:31:13] Speaker C: So I'm gonna. I'm gonna go ahead and talk about these two together. So I got Twisted Metal and Vigilante 8, which they're pretty much kind of like the same game, just. I mean, they're played the same way, just different games. So we got with Twisted Metal. Twisted Metal is like this clown character. He's not like. He is a clown character. If I remember correctly. It's been a long time and Jackson.
[00:31:43] Speaker B: The Clown is a specific person. It's not the genre of the game.
[00:31:47] Speaker A: All right.
[00:31:47] Speaker C: It has been a long time. So I'm going to mix some characters definitely up. Okay. Twisted Metal and Jax, you talked about it earlier.
It might have been in a pre show. It's getting a remake of a TV show or a movie.
[00:31:59] Speaker A: There's a TV show now, apparently.
[00:32:02] Speaker C: So if that does good, I'm hoping that maybe they're like, hey, let's remake this game. So hopefully, hopefully we can see this happening.
It is a car battling game.
You are in a car.
You go around this map that they give you. In both games, you get weapons that power up your car and you destroy other cars.
I mean, that's just the game.
That's all it is. There's some story to it. And like the most memorable to me is in V8, there's this one map. It's like the dust bowl or something like that. There's this crater and there's these alien ants.
They're just kind of like a neutral or a neutral hostile NPC in the game that I'll just attack everybody. And there's like the sequence of events and like most of these levels that you can do certain things and it unlocks something on the world map. And I remember specifically in this one, it'll like make a meteor crash down in the crater which spawns like this giant alien ant that goes and tries to kill everything and then you have to kill it. It was really fun. I just miss it. It could be just nostalgia talking. It might not have been that good of a game, but I would love to see personally it get remade.
[00:33:25] Speaker B: Both of these, it was very fun.
That character is called Sweet Tooth, by the way.
[00:33:30] Speaker C: Sweet Tooth. That's it.
[00:33:31] Speaker A: Of course he is.
[00:33:33] Speaker B: It is. To summarize the game, it's a combat racing game. You're just loading up weapons on a car and having fun ramming the shit out of each other with it.
[00:33:45] Speaker A: It's a destruction derby, quite literally, but instead of just ramming each other, it's super.
[00:33:53] Speaker C: The maps on V8 I remember were a lot more detailed, whereas like Twisted Metal felt like it was just kind of like you're in an arena room. It kind of. If I remember, like with va, it had act like roads. I think it was different areas in.
[00:34:09] Speaker B: The map, which it was than it was race.
[00:34:13] Speaker C: But I don't think there's ever a race to it. You're just going around and killing everything. It wasn't like you're racing like you would in Mario Kart or something. He was just Literally, you just selected your character and then you ran around and I think you had lives.
Like this one car I remember in V8 is the futuristic robot and you get ultimates with your car and it would just shoot this massive laser beam in front of the car and obliterate anything that got hit within. Like, in front. It was awesome.
[00:34:43] Speaker A: I think the reason that both Twisted Metal and Vigilante worked is that they were cartoonishly, ridiculously over the top.
[00:34:52] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:34:52] Speaker A: They took the, like, this is a fun idea and just ran with it and turned it up to 11. No matter what the idea was, these games are stupid.
[00:35:03] Speaker B: Oh, there's. There's no, like, overarching story or plot or. Have fun. Get in the car, whale and blow stuff up. Yep.
[00:35:11] Speaker A: All right.
[00:35:11] Speaker B: Get in the robot, Gingy.
[00:35:13] Speaker A: Mike, pick another one off your list also. God damn it.
[00:35:18] Speaker B: Let's see. I went. I went old. I'm going to go with both old and new right now. Going from the beginning to the end here. Because this game got a remake, but it was not a remake. It was a fucking cash grab.
[00:35:32] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:35:32] Speaker C: Mm. EA for ya.
[00:35:34] Speaker B: We need a real remake of Star Wars Battlefront 2.
[00:35:39] Speaker C: Specifically 2.
[00:35:41] Speaker B: You can play the original. It's still okay. The remake is terrible.
We need a good one.
[00:35:48] Speaker A: This is even worse because it's had both a remake and a remaster that are both cash grab shit.
[00:35:56] Speaker B: Also true. Yeah.
[00:35:58] Speaker A: It's so offensive.
[00:36:00] Speaker C: It's like, I would say this. The Battlefront that just recently came out is just literally Battlefield. Star wars skinned and it's a bigger cash grab than any of the Battlefield games ever were.
[00:36:13] Speaker B: It's horrendous how bad this is. It's horrendous how bad this is. They made a game that is so beloved, tried to remaster it and remake it both times.
Never learning the fucking lesson.
[00:36:27] Speaker A: Yeah. To be clear, do not in any way, shape or form spend your money on the 2017 Star Wars Battlefront 2 or the Star Wars Battlefront Classic collection. They're both abysmal.
[00:36:40] Speaker B: You can still just buy the original.
This is one of the times where it's worth it to just buy the original. I don't say that lightly. That game is like 0406. It's a PS2 game. Maybe it's GameCube, but like, it's so fun there. And they ruined it multiple ways, multiple times.
I'm just gonna stop there. I need to not. I need to not. Next. Go.
[00:37:10] Speaker C: We've talked about Star Wars Battlefront 2 because I love it. Specifically, like The Galaxy Conquest part of.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: It we talked about Cash crash.
[00:37:18] Speaker C: That's what I. That's.
[00:37:19] Speaker B: That's.
[00:37:19] Speaker C: But the Galaxy Conquest on the original, that's what I want to see. I want. I don't want to see Battle Fields style game. I want to see where I am starting as like some weak guy. I'm going into control points and catching them or captured them. I don't care if there's real people on the other team or not. Like, just make it even a single player. Like that's like how it was. Or local. Local multiplayer. Like, it doesn't have to be online to be like. I want it to be a true remake of the original game.
I don't. It doesn't need to be online.
[00:37:55] Speaker A: Fair enough.
All right, K.
Explain.
[00:37:59] Speaker D: Okay, but I. I know it's gonna be. Hear me out. And it'll probably.
It'll probably raise some eyebrows, but let me finish.
What I would like to see remake remade is Chrono Trigger.
But not like Unreal Engine 5. I don't need like Unreal Engine 5 spiky hair protagonist. What I would like it to be remade as, I want it to get like the Sea of Stars or Threats of Time treatment.
It's still very much pixel and sprite graphic. They've come really, really far. And I feel like Chrono Trigger would be remade so well in those mediums with.
[00:38:42] Speaker A: So.
[00:38:42] Speaker D: With that particular style. I feel like it'd just be such a great thing to revisit that way.
[00:38:49] Speaker A: So would you want it in like an HD pixel art style or would you want it in like the HD 2D style that Squaresoft has been doing with like Octopath Traveler and the Dragon Quest HD remakes?
[00:39:02] Speaker D: I think I would rather it be more like Sea of Stars and Threads of Time because the things you can do with those sprite engines is gorgeous.
[00:39:13] Speaker B: Have you played the new remake of Final Fantasy Tactics?
[00:39:21] Speaker D: I have not, but that's because I didn't have money last paycheck and I really want to play those.
[00:39:28] Speaker B: It has both a like completely redone art style rework version and a play everything version. Classic. So you don't have to do any of the new stuff. If Chrono Trigger were to get something that is how it should be done. Allow you to have the preserved. Hey, if you want. If you don't like any of the new things, play it. Originally I have old Chrono Trigger for Steve. It's good. It's still real good, but the Steam.
[00:39:54] Speaker A: Version is still kind of jank Compared to the original?
[00:39:57] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a little jank compared to the original, but I can't play the original. I'm not going to put forth the kind of money you need to get it.
[00:40:05] Speaker D: I don't know. I think I would rather.
[00:40:06] Speaker B: Do you know how much that costs, Jax? Do you know how much those cost?
[00:40:09] Speaker A: Do you know how much this. I literally have a Chrono Trigger cartridge in my hand.
[00:40:13] Speaker B: Yeah, those are like a couple hundred bucks sometimes.
[00:40:16] Speaker D: I think I would still rather see it redone as more of like a Threads of Time. It. It just.
[00:40:23] Speaker A: So explain what that is.
[00:40:25] Speaker D: So Threads of Time isn't released yet, but if you've seen the trailer and watched the gameplay, it. It's still very much turn based battle but it does very well taking like like actual anime scenes and doing transitions between that and like a very high definition pixel art style.
And it kind of like.
I mean this would probably depend on the devs but like when there's like battle animations and effects and everything like that, they are still very flashy and they, they present really, really well. And that stuff that I remember from Chrono Trigger is you know, having like the, the fire based moves and everybody has like their own unique, you know, fighting style. I remember the, the Prehistoric Girl. I can't remember her name.
[00:41:27] Speaker A: Ayla.
[00:41:28] Speaker D: Yes, I very much remember Ayla. And I just feel like if it were to be remade and given the. That kind of feel, I feel like for.
Because there's just gaming's gotten so big and especially with COVID having pushed so many people into gaming as well as, you know, the younger generation, you know, growing up in gaming.
I feel like Chrono Trigger is such a foundational jrpg.
It would be a great way for people to experience that without going and getting like the PC like port, which I hear still has bugs. And Square just has pretty much given up on like fixing the bugs.
[00:42:14] Speaker A: It's checked, it has bugs. It crashes. If you try to stream when it plays an FMV due to DRM in it. That. That's not hyperbole. Literally if you're using game capture and you're streaming, it will crash on the FMVs.
The FMVs were in addition on the PS1 version and they suck. It's really awful to watch this low resolution anime scene of like frog wielding the Masamune and slicing open a cliff and then have the game cut to the 16 bit sprite version of the exact same scene afterwards. And it's like why did you bother showing me this FMV then. And it's full of that kind of stuff where it just repeats the same scene 16 bit style after playing the video.
It's not great. There's a reason I say like, if you want to play Chrono Trigger, just go play the actual Super Nintendo version.
[00:43:06] Speaker D: Yeah, that's gonna be.
[00:43:07] Speaker A: Download the ROM and emulate it.
[00:43:09] Speaker D: You're not gonna get any Gen Z Gen Alpha to even touch a Super Nintendo.
[00:43:14] Speaker A: I know. And it makes me sad.
[00:43:16] Speaker B: It's also not on Nintendo Switch online.
Yeah, Super Nintendo plus the other things. That's like 200 plus bucks.
[00:43:24] Speaker A: It's more than that.
[00:43:25] Speaker B: When I could hold on. How much is Chrono Trigger on the. On Steam? Let's find out.
[00:43:30] Speaker D: It's probably like $5 right now.
[00:43:35] Speaker B: Chrono trigger is 15 bucks. No sale.
[00:43:38] Speaker A: 15 bucks. By the way, I looked up just a bear cartridge on ebay, which is what I have next to me. $230 or more.
[00:43:47] Speaker D: Good God. Yeah. No.
So I feel like having of just it being built from the ground up, especially for having, you know, like really cool anime scenes and then switching to like a really high definition, you know, sprite pixel, you know, gameplay would serve it really, really, really well.
[00:44:14] Speaker B: All right.
[00:44:15] Speaker A: I will admit I was. I literally put WTF in the dock next to Chrono Trigger because I didn't understand why you would ever want this. I can accept it as a.
Younger audiences will never give the game a chance unless you update it. And Chrono Trigger is a masterpiece.
[00:44:32] Speaker B: Part of this, part of it is just if you never played it and you know it's one of the best games of all time, it's a cost fallacy. I can't spend 300 bucks to try and play one of the best games of all time.
[00:44:42] Speaker A: I think I heard it genuinely is the best.
[00:44:46] Speaker D: I think I heard something about Chrono Cross though. The sequel getting an actual remake though.
[00:44:51] Speaker A: So Chrono Cross has been ported to modern platforms along with Radical Dreamers, which was a Japan only like extra bit of story stuff that was never fully finished that's been like released that's available. You can buy Chrono the Radical Dreamers edition on I think every modern platform. It's fine. It's a solid like 7 or 810 JRPG. As opposed to Chrono Trigger which is like a generational masterpiece.
Like almost everyone unanimously agrees that Chrono Trigger is the best JRPG on Super Nintendo. And Super Nintendo has a lot of amazing JRPGs.
[00:45:30] Speaker B: Yeah. It is widely considered indie running for the top game of all time.
[00:45:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
Alright, I've got one more hit before we move on to our last topic, which is not a specific game, but rather just a swath of every good N64 game desperately needs a remake.
So literally, pick any of them.
Turok, Super Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Mischief Makers, Blast Core, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Jet Force, Gemini. We talked about those ones last week. Star Fox 64. All of them desperately need a remake because the N64 ran games like shit, looked fucking horrible and controlled like shit. And that is true across every single great title on the N64. They all look bad, they all have control issues, they all run poorly.
[00:46:30] Speaker B: Unless you are looking at a game solely for its original look, like Super Mario 64 is Super Mario 64. You're looking at that for a 64 bit game. You're not looking at that for modern graphical fidelity. Looks okay. Other than that, a lot of the 3D styles they made. Not good.
[00:46:52] Speaker A: Yeah. Like out of all of those. Or like goldeneye and Perfect Dark. Perfect Dark got a remake. To be fair, it's the one out of all of the good N64 games that has a remake. And it's good. Perfect dark on the Xbox 360 or the Rare replay version is a phenomenal game. It's so much better than the N64 version. And that's what all of the good N64 games deserve. The content is good, the core gameplay of these games is good. But these games are hampered by the shitty N64 controller. They're hampered by running at 15 frames a second. They're hampered by incredibly low resolution textures and low polygon counts. Everything on the N64 deserves a remake. Everything that's worth anything.
[00:47:39] Speaker C: You mentioned Mischief Makers and I had completely forgotten about that game, but I remember absolutely loving that game.
[00:47:48] Speaker A: It's so good.
[00:47:49] Speaker C: Like specifically the Olympics level. Like for some reason I love the Olympics level and I liked fighting that like Dragon Boss.
Shake, shake, shake, shake, shake shake. Oh my gosh. It just.
[00:48:02] Speaker A: It's.
[00:48:02] Speaker C: I cannot.
[00:48:03] Speaker A: It's a phenomenal game, but no one is going to experience it now because Mischief Makers like everything else on the N64 plays like shit.
[00:48:12] Speaker B: Just.
[00:48:12] Speaker A: I just. I just remember terrorizing Ocarina of Time is widely considered one of the greatest video games ever made. And it plays like.
It's like ugly as hell. I just.
[00:48:24] Speaker C: I love Ocarina of Time, so I'm never going to talk bad about it just because I. I Love the old, even the old graphics on it. To me it is just. And that's just because I'm a huge fanboy of it. I play the randomizers which have updated like quality of life changes, quality of life fixes.
[00:48:45] Speaker A: But would you recommend at a time to a 15 year old as is. Do you think they would enjoy it?
[00:48:51] Speaker C: No, they wouldn't enjoy it unless they're trying to.
[00:48:56] Speaker A: Unless they're looking to play a retro game.
[00:48:58] Speaker C: Unless they're. Yeah, unless like if they're trying to delve into it. Like if you're get taking a kid who's 15 or even younger who's only known like Fortnite and modern gaming, if you stuck them on oot, they're just gonna be like, why? This is so boring.
They're gonna get bored, they're gonna get frustrated.
So I can understand. Man, we could. We're gonna have to revisit this topic because we just do not have enough time to.
[00:49:24] Speaker B: Oh, I have other games. There's the others on this list for sure.
[00:49:28] Speaker A: And we'll save the other ones for another time when we decide to rant about games needing remake in the future. But yeah, that's why my list was just everything on the N64 because they all fit the bill. Okay, we got one last topic tonight because I've got Kaylaer on here and Kayla, are you also have VR? I want to talk about VR games for a bit. So let's start with. So I play VR on a quest 2. What is your setup? Like?
[00:49:56] Speaker D: I do have full body tracking.
I use a Valve index. Currently I don't have much play space, but I mostly do rhythm games and VRchat.
[00:50:13] Speaker A: Okay. I'm largely in the same boat as far as what I actually play. It's Beat Saber and VRChat.
But so the question then becomes like, why don't you and I play more games in VR? What is holding us back from playing more games? Because I know what it is for me.
[00:50:30] Speaker D: What is it for you, for me personally is a lot of the games that I want to play just don't happen to be VR games.
I find VR games tend to be things that I fit in between like other games that I play or like I have a specific reason to play them. Like I find fitness and rhythm games in VR do really, really, really good for like cardio and exercise.
So when it's like I need to do cardio and exercise, like, okay, well I would rather do that in the form of playing Beat Saber.
There's like a Punch game that I play to Punch Fit. Like, Punch Fit's really, really good on cardio.
It just happens to be kind of like.
I don't know. I don't think a vast majority of people feel VR immerses them in experience.
It's cool tech, but I don't think it's immersive in the way people want it to be. Immersive.
[00:51:42] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. I don't think the technology is 100% there yet. It's moving in the right direction.
So some of the games that I like to play on my computer do have VR ports.
Like, Phasmophobia has one that I've really enjoyed. It was garbage when it first came out, but they put a lot of love into it, so it's a lot better now. And no Man's sky, which isn't super, like, immersive. I haven't played it on since the new update, but it did feel really cool when it first came out on no Man's Sky. Like, to be able to control my. My, like, looking out the side of my ship before getting up and standing up in your ship was a thing.
Phasmophobia definitely scared me. But the common thing that I get with a lot of these is I'll get, like, motion sickness pretty quick on some of these games because it's not optimized well enough for, like, because my. Because my eyes get confused. Like, obviously I know I'm not in the game, but my eyes will get, like, confused with all, like, the moving stuff going around and where I'm sitting still, but my character's moving.
And so I think there's a lot of definitely technology that's got to be updated.
[00:52:57] Speaker A: So you just hit on. One of the big reasons that I don't enjoy most VR games because I'm not prone to motion sickness, like, at all. It takes a lot to make me a little queasy, even in VR.
But most VR games have so many mitigations because the technology isn't there yet to try to keep the majority of the audience from getting motion sick, that they ruin the experience for me, where I could do it just fine.
I can play games in VR where I am just. I'm sitting in my chair, but my character is running around, jumping, et cetera. Most people get motion sick at that. Matter of fact, I know specifically for, like, VR chat, a lot of people have to spend a lot of time adjusting to being in VR chat, chat before they stop getting motion sick from regular moving around in the game.
[00:53:46] Speaker C: Those games, the only ones that's got me motion sick was phasmophobia. And that was before the update. So I don't know if it was something to do with the movements and if they were like super quick. I don't remember.
I just know I haven't really played it since. I just. I play on a quest to.
I want to get the Quest 3, but it's really just a waste of money. It's just going to sit on my shelf like my Quest 2 does.
So I'm kind of waiting for like. I'd love to get one of those running track pads. I think those would be really cool.
[00:54:16] Speaker A: The omnidirectional treadmills.
[00:54:18] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:54:19] Speaker A: Oh, they're so cool. But they're so expensive.
[00:54:21] Speaker C: Oh yeah. I would never be able to convince myself to spend the money on it to play it maybe once a year.
[00:54:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:54:30] Speaker C: Because the games there aren't good enough games for me to want to get it.
[00:54:33] Speaker B: Okay, speaking of this, talking of the. This peripheral thing, I'm going to both keep here and circle back a little bit to the game that needs a remake because this is part of a peripheral thing that I want to talk about.
[00:54:45] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:54:46] Speaker B: I think we need more games that use like extended peripherals that are big fun things to get. The one that I was going to talk about is Guitar Hero. Yeah, Guitar Hero. I'm thinking Steel Battalion with its fucking 80 button setup with the.
The extra button lit layout for old mech things. That could be a style of VR game that would be phenomenal. Why are there not more mech games in VR?
[00:55:14] Speaker A: So there is one genre of game that I think has succeeded in VR and that's flight games.
So this means games like Star Wars Squadrons, which is just a regular ass flight game, has a VR mode. You mentioned no man's Sky.
Star Citizen I think has a VR mode. I don't know how well implemented it is. I'm not a Star Citizen. Person overload, which I love, which is a descent like kind of 3D doom ish type game has a VR mode. And VR where you are in a vehicle and you can look around the cockpit of the vehicle is really good at not making people motion sick.
Most people with very mild adjustment time can play VR flight games just fine. I don't understand why we don't see more of those.
Because when I look at the list of like VR games on Steam, the vast, vast majority of them are either just straight up shovelware, which I'm not even gonna count, or they're really basic versions of the kinds of games you'd see elsewhere. And I don't understand why the VR game needs to be dumbed down.
I don't want to play a dumbed down game. That's not fun. I want to play a real video game. I don't understand why with VR games where we have full like controller tracking to where they know where in space your controller is, it seems like the perfect environment to bring back light gun games as a genre.
Why do we not have Time Crisis and House of the Dead in VR? I've looked for games like them. There's a couple. They're bad.
Like they are genuinely bad games.
But the actual good games in these genres exist. They're still making them in arcades. We've had light gun games in arcades and Enter the Gungeon came out with one in 2023. I've played it in an arcade. It's a lot of fun.
Why isn't that available in VR? Let me just play it in VR. It would be phenomenal. But we don't get that. Instead we get Zombieland VR and Undercover and stuff that looks like it's a phone game repurposed to be in VR and it sucks.
I want my rail shooters and. And here's the most frustrating part. They do make them. There is a Godzilla game in arcades right now. We have one locally at my local arcade in the town I work in, where you are in a gunship flying around a city that is under attack by Godzilla and you put on literally a quest 3 and you hold a gun that is like the gun turret peripheral and you shoot Godzilla and the other monsters that are attacking the town. And it's a lot of fun. And because it uses VR, it is an order of magnitude more intense to play as your ship is swooping around and you're trying to gun things down that are coming right at you instead of at the screen like a regular rail shooter. Why is there not a home version of this experience?
It would be phenomenal. Give it to me. Developers give me VR games that don't suck, please.
Sorry, I went on a soapbox.
[00:58:39] Speaker D: No, you're fine. I think the main problem is like there's just not a lot of VR developers and the few that are there are like not anyone with like long term gaming experience.
They, they're people who are interested in the technology, not that the games that they can make. And that's the main problem.
[00:59:00] Speaker A: I looked up this Godzilla game. It's called Godzilla Kaiju wars VR.
It's a lot of fun. I Highly recommend it.
[00:59:07] Speaker D: Yeah, it was the highlight of the arcade trip, but, like, you can't buy it on Steam.
And it's like, this would sell really well on Steam. Like, I would sit down and play this.
[00:59:18] Speaker A: Absolutely. It was a blast. Even though my controller wasn't.
Wasn't calibrated correctly and I had to, like, crane my head towards you. But while we were shooting. Shit.
[00:59:28] Speaker D: Yeah.
I don't know what happened with the calibration, but, like, it was fun. It was.
[00:59:33] Speaker A: It was fun despite that.
So, yeah, that's. That's where VR gaming is right now. It's frustrating. There's moments of greatness, but so much shovelware shit. And the porn games aren't even good.
[00:59:49] Speaker D: I mean, if there is good porn games, it's usually from independent developers who are, like, really doing their releases through Patreon. Like, I think a popular one is in heat.
That's the only one I can think of.
[01:00:05] Speaker A: But that's kind of my point. Like, it's just. Even for the thing that, like, a lot of people like, oh, it's great for that. No, it's not. It could be, but it isn't. All right, guys, this has been episode seven, Kaylaer. People can find you at Twitch TV DragonMomantics. What's your streaming looking like in general? It's what, every other week? Most days, for about seven days, pretty much.
[01:00:33] Speaker D: I have a pretty chill work schedule. I work seven days and then I get seven days off. And then by seven days off, I usually spend that streaming video games over on Twitch.
[01:00:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:00:43] Speaker A: So head on over to Twitch TV DragonMomantics and give her a follow and watch her play video games. It's fun.
That's it. I've been Jack Sohlman for Mike of many names, for pillow pet, and for special guest Kaylaer. Have a great night.
[01:00:59] Speaker C: Good night.
[01:01:00] Speaker B: Good night, everybody.
